Tfw you realize that under neoliberalism the press and social media has...

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

tfw you realize that under neoliberalism the press and social media has replaced organized religion as the main propaganda unit for the industrialized world

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Soft_member
Soft_member

They have replaced the priests.
Relegion was replaced by Brands and corporations.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Soft_member
I wonder how many /pol/acks we would have if people actually read books

Inmate
Inmate

@Boy_vs_Girl
The state has replaced the church. Churches used to educate children and implant them with values. Now the public schools do it instead.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Boy_vs_Girl
Civilization 4 had this as a game mechanic. Corporations replaced religions.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Carnalpleasure
I wonder why…
Also, Civ 4 was last decent Civ. Always play with Caveman2Cosmos
(Call to power did it too.)

RumChicken
RumChicken

Honestly, this is one of the major reasons why I'm inclined to think most critiques of religion, including leftist ones, are entirely outdated and actually serve the interests of the ruling class.

New Atheists are the most obvious example, but I'm also thinking in terms of French secularism which outright bans religious garb and other public expressions of faith. In today's world, religious Muslims are the only group of people actively resisting imperialism, not communists, not secular socialists but devoutly religious individuals who fight for the sake of God. It's also an example as to how Enlightenment secularism has been a failure. We've abandoned God but are we really any better off? Not really.

TechHater
TechHater

@RumChicken
Let me fix that for you.

We've abandoned God but are we really free from relegion? Not really.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TechHater
Too be fair that only really applies to the industrialized world

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@eGremlin
Ye, both God being dead and relegion transformed.

FastChef
FastChef

@TechHater
I honestly don't think doing away with God or religion is the way to go.

Muslims will not fight imperialism under the red flag. They'll only fight under the flag of Islam.

If all of those Muslim immigrants in Europe became assimilated into secular European society they'd forget the suffering of their people under colonialism and neo-colonialism and become nothing more but garden variety consumerists. Is that what we want? No.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
In today's world, religious Muslims are the only group of people actively resisting imperialism

Thank Lenin someone actually articulated this fact. This is taboo to say in America, seemingly even amongst the left.

@FastChef
Fuck it let them have their self determination and if they want to fight the reds it's on m8

viagrandad
viagrandad

@FastChef
Resist Imperialism with fundamentalism
It's not like the Nazis invading France or anything…

I'll never get you guys and your "Islam is A OK" thingy.

RELEGION IS IDEOLOGY IS TRASH!

Be it Islam, Budhism, or Scientology!
Or Apple.

5mileys
5mileys

@FastChef
Muslims will not fight imperialism under the red flag. They'll only fight under the flag of Islam.

I don't think that's entirely true. A lot of Muslims in the Middle East were disillusioned with the radical left after Saddam fell; the US knows that if they're a bunch of revolutionary reds, it's in some deep shit.

It's easy to forget that all religious people are just people. They are not literally infected with some kind of cognitive disease. They can be influenced. United.

idontknow
idontknow

@5mileys
The vast majority of resistance to capitalism and imperialism in that part of the world is coming from deeply religious Muslims, not secular communists.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@viagrandad
too be fair revolutionary theocracy is fine and most religious texts do have leftist ideologys (some more then others and hinduism has none)

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Skullbone
Anarchist flag
Theocracy is fine

WUT???
Am a Leninist and WUT??????

Theocracy is the first to become litteraly Stalin.

Islam was progresive and so on in early middle ages and then the leader changed and it became worse than the spanish inquisition. (YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THAT, DID YOU?)

RumChicken
RumChicken

@idontknow
The Islamists controlling the Middle East have never give a shit about "imperialism", monarchists fucking love the wealth capitalism brings them. They do not hate the West's economic hegemony, they think that it's expressly anti-Muslim and wants to destroy their religion, which a fair number of Americans really do want. They don't care about the migrants being accepted because they view sane Muslims as apostates.

Terrorism, in particular, is led by the devout, but most people being recruited to it are in their early/mid 20s and either nonreligious or consider it to be a small part of their identity. ISIS is an outlet for nihilistic young men to die with a sense of meaning and purpose, to be seen by the entire world as relevant. It's fucked up, but it works.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Boy_vs_Girl

I wouldn't restrict this to any 'neoliberal' movement. Economics as a profession had already superseded the Catholic church as the dominant pro-property cult as early as the second half of the 19th century.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperGod
*I meant religious communists not an authoritarian state ruled by religious leftists my bad

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Ignoramus
But theocracy is authoritarian state!

Anyway the "relegion and communism don't go toghether" is a bretty old meme.

As long as you don't go ISIS, relegion is fine.
Just look at south america.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@SomethingNew
As long as you don't go ISIS, relegion is fine.
No.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Bidwell

Who hurt you? It's ok; let it all out. ;^)

likme
likme

@Bidwell
Spooks are useful, as long as we know they are spooks.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Ignoramus
@SomethingNew
Theocratic anarchism is definitely a real thing.

See: Tolstoy, Martin Buber, young Walter Benjamin.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Skullbone
There is no reason to be against theocracy or the influence of religion so as long as the religion in question promotes socialistic values.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@ZeroReborn
-cracy = -archy

Sorry, but that's how it is!

@whereismyname
STALIN!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@likme
spooks define what it means for something to be useful
FTFY

RumChicken
RumChicken

@PurpleCharger
Terrorist detected!

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
tell me one thing Proudhon believed that Jesus Christ didn't also believe

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Skullbone
too be fair revolutionary theocracy is fine
what the fug

happy_sad
happy_sad

I'm too lazy to copy-paste the relevant parts from Debord but wanted to make sure that you know that I've read him.

FastChef
FastChef

When you see posters on Leeky Forums talking about how cool it is some rapper or actor endorsed Bernie, or the countless threads about Sarcuck of Akkad or different tripfags, remember this is the exact same crowd.

Most of them have been mentally negrified, and are thus weak and need to attach themselves to celebrities and other popular culture things in order to feel fulfilled.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@FastChef
Most of them have been mentally negrified
Actually this implies chans were populated by transniggers all along

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@FastChef
mentally negrified

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Nude_Bikergirl
Proudhon was a giant Kantfag.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@PurpleCharger
@viagrandad
@5mileys
At this point, one could easily claim that "Muslim" has evolved into a nation, similar to the way "Jew" has (remember that "the Jews" never considered themselves a unified people until Zionism made them so). In the case of Muslims, the War on Terrorism and the global Islamophobia has turned them into a de facto nation. Islamophobia is hardly synonymous with religious oppression anymore but seems very, very close to national oppression, which, in my view, is how people on the left should see it.

People will say: "Oh, but there are tons of Islamic ethnic groups and sects which all have their own traditions, culture, and way of interpreting Islamic doctrine so how can you say they're a 'nation'?" That's the thing: so do the Jews.

I think the obvious solution to the "Muslim question" in Europe is some kind of network of self-autonomous communities run according to an Islamic national communism, similar to Juche or Dugin's National Bolshevism.

Booteefool
Booteefool

negrified
What?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Dreamworx
really?

From What Is Property he seems like a regular god botherer.

Also jesus did not like interest

viagrandad
viagrandad

@MPmaster
Proudhon's methodology became very Kantian later on. Read his Philosophy of Progress where he invokes Kant's antinomies.

massdebater
massdebater

@ZeroReborn
Apples and oranges. We've had this conversation a million times on here before but I'll reiterate: kabbalistic Jews like Buber and Benjamin DO NOT NOT NOT understand humanity's relationship with the divine the same way orthodox Muslims do. If you had any understanding of this topic, you'd see how one of the major ideas in the Lurianic Kabbalah is that the relationship between God and man is extremely dialectical, that man's actions below affect God above and vice-versa, and the whole idea behind tikkun olam is that man must unite the upper and lower worlds through holy acts.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppT8JK1loSg&feature=youtu.be&t=26m37s

Islam, to my knowledge, has zero equivalent to this, so it's foolish to claim something like: "Well these Jewbros were able to combine Judaism with anarchism so creating an Islamic anarchism should be easy to do!"

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