Vegetarianism?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Thoughts on vegetarianism? I've been one for over a year now. Are there socialist benefits to switching?

Without making moral spooky arguments:

1. Switching to crops alone reduces land usage, more homes available for proles
2. Switching to crops alone reduces energy loss, so less farming needed to feed everyone and more free time for proles
3. Less CO2 production by animals due to less animals existing, as the large number of farm animals is a result of farming industry

On the other hand, many people find eating meat fun, and the point of socialism is so people can find life enjoyable.
So given this, please:
MORALISTS GET OUT
LIFESTYLISM IS BOURGEOIS

pls no bulli

All urls found in this thread:
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgI_bcETkM
AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Rebel Obesity
Thoughts on vegetarianism? I've been one for over a year now.
Chocolate cakes don't constitute a complete vegetarian diet, you know.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

There's no ethical consumption under capitalism, etc.

@AwesomeTucker
No bully.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@AwesomeTucker
Space_ please. I will cook you and eat you.
I am not obese.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

LIFESTYLISM IS BOURGEOIS
Ghost of Bookchin is that you?

I like to keep eating my meat but would enjoy if the cow that i eat had a good life as i consider cows to be my favorite animal.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Meat is nice to eat

Socialism is about getting rid of stuff that isn't nice, like wage slavery, and replacing it with nice stuff, like worker's ownership of the means of production

So by that Aristotelian logic, socialism will have more meat for everyone. Even for vegetarians, you guys will have more meat to eat, more socialist meat.

What I'm trying to say Rebel is that despite being a vegetarian, you're still a dicksucker.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I generally object to a vegetarian diet because it's simply unhealthy. Humans are omnivorous animals, and only eating vegetables could lead to vitamin B, creatine, and iodine deficiencies.

Also, generally speaking, vegans tend to have to consume more to gain an equal amount of energy to someone who eats meat, simply because meat is a better source of calories, protein, etc.

So it's not just that I find meat-eating "fun," it's that I find it healthy.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@New_Cliche
bae implying you mind that

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@New_Cliche
Fuck you tripfag nigger. factory farming, using most of the grain we grow to live stock, and just about everything that needs to happen to get that steak on your plate is most certainly not nice.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Spazyfool
Moralism is bourgeoisie, oink oink.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Dreamworx
So is inefficiency and waste.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Stark_Naked
this tbh

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Stark_Naked
@Nude_Bikergirl
objecting to moralist arguments for veganism = supporting unethical practices in the meat industry

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Stark_Naked
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat

it's just bourgeoise moralism

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Lord_Tryzalot
sorry, *vegetarianism.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Fuzzy_Logic
3d printed meat soon, comrade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgI_bcETkM

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Lord_Tryzalot
There is no ethical practices. We will always be wasting food on raising livestock.

girlDog
girlDog

@Lord_Tryzalot
Didn't say that. Meat industry is inherently wasteful in itself though.

Look up energy content, food chains etc.

massdebater
massdebater

@Stark_Naked
there is no need to be 100% efficient. just efficient enough to be sustainable and not totally fuck the earth. I won't defend the current factory farming methods, they definitely do need to change, but just because there's a more efficient way to generate nutrients for the human species, doesn't mean we must focus entirely on that; there's something to be said for having access to pleasures in life. Unless of course, you're one of those anti fun leftists who give us a bad name.

idontknow
idontknow

@CouchChiller

kirie-chan a qt

anyway, i like meat, but some people don't, and that's fine for them–as to your arguments, efficiency in agricultural production continues to increase, and we already produce enough food to amply feed everyone in the world–it's just that so much of it, especially in developed countries, ends up going to waste

RavySnake
RavySnake

I eat meat. If revolutionaries wanted me to go vegetarian, I probably would. If they said go vegan, I would be mildly displeased.

Either way, I hate to be a moralist here but factory farming is pure insanity. If we can do away with that, and just eat less meat, I think it would be fine.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@CouchChiller
LIFESTYLISM IS BOURGEOIS
Every reason to be vegetarian is "lifestylism". If you believe that individual actions cannot affect the world, then the best thing to do is maximise your own personal happiness regardless of how anyone else feels.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@CouchChiller
vegetarian
not vegan

At least get it right you moron.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@massdebater
there is no need to be 100% efficient. just efficient enough to be sustainable and not totally fuck the earth.
so you mean we need a complete agricultural change including elimination of factory farms?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@CouchChiller
*bullys you*

w8t4u
w8t4u

First of all, Rebel, you are still nomenclature. You prove it every post.

1. We need to stop overproduction and overconsumption of meat. Not meat entirely.

2. Robots can herd just fine.

3. See 1.

kirie-chan is Tomoko for normies

askme
askme

every vegetarian I've come across (and there's one in my family) became so because they went to a farm or something, then they feel superior because "it's reality"

Sigh.

massdebater
massdebater

@King_Martha
Yes, I think so. hydroponic sky scraper farms and 3d printed meat, fam.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@askme
Could it be because Capitalism, Idustilazition and … ALIENATION???

I grew up in a "farm" (small for home production only, in extra small village) and I eat meat just fine. I've seen animal slaughtered and skinned and even helped skin a bunny once.

But the security of the city and the entitlement of alienation is causing people to be like "oh, I am a superior human! I cannot be eating animals! I am better than them and have to care for them!"

SniperWish
SniperWish

It doesn't matter if raising livestock is inefficient. In a communist society, where most people would most likely want meat, it would be an acceptable luxury because the amount of labor power otherwise spent on useless consumer goods or that isn't automated would make raising livestock a trivial matter. Never mind when technological advances make it possible to clone animals or 3D print meat or grow steaks in test tubes.

Though obviously it would have to be better than the Auschwitz-tier standards of the capitalist meat industry.

WebTool
WebTool

i'd just support campaigning for meat on weekends only or something, the amounts of meat eaten nowadays aren't healthy, especially regarding to fast food with low quality meat

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@WebTool
That's a bit too far. Just encourage people to maybe eat a bit less meat and find other sources of protein. Meat only on weekends is ludicrous.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@LuckyDusty
not regulating peoples diet, according to what the state has decided is the correct one.
not having a database of every citizens health state and so on, and algorithms deciding their meals.

FastChef
FastChef

@kizzmybutt
I think the following points could help:
1. Enforce standards for meat sold in any form
2. Ensure livestock are put to death painlessly
3. Ensure acceptable living and feeding conditions for livestock prior to slaughter

We make the system better as well as encourage people to not gorge themselves then it will get better,

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@PurpleCharger
How is pic related though?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Ignoramus
In case you're not trolling:
authoritarianism
ever

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Illusionz
Is having automation help us build a better society, by removing false and unimportant choise and letting us focus on more important activities, authoritarian?

Is having 50 brands of butter to choose from, freedom?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@King_Martha
Giving each and every person a precise state decided diet would not only be a bureaucratic nightmare but would also be damn near unenforceable. And yes, the whole having over 9000 brands ofmthensame thing is excessive, the extreme opposite is not the answer.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@SomethingNew
But I said, database and algorithms.

We can do EXACTLY what Lenin failed to do and had to do NEP.

Also, I said, PERSONILIZED diet, decided by the algorithms and according to the database.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Stupidasole
Not even a vegetarian, but you realise we have vitamin supplements, yes?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nojokur
using substitutes never coused any damage, long term.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Jesus Christ morality is not spooky, it can be backed up by logic. How many times must this be repeated?
Sage for gay thread.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
Did they?

Inmate
Inmate

@Bidwell
Fuck off tripfag

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@lostmypassword
Or, we could not do with such a bloated resource sink and let the idiots weed themselves out. people get fat, don't fix it and die of heart disease all the time, going full nanny state is totalitarian as fuck

Techpill
Techpill

more homes available for proles

Space is not an issue

2. Switching to crops alone reduces energy loss, so less farming needed to feed everyone and more free time for proles

That is true, but we already have more than enough to feed everyone on the planet more than enough.

3. Less CO2 production by animals due to less animals existing, as the large number of farm animals is a result of farming industry

True. But i like meat more than i would like a car, so sorry not sorry.

Anyway, i look forward to the day we can grow meat in labs/vats. Cheaper, more efficient and no vegans whining about poor cows being killed.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@CouchChiller

1. Land usage isn't really a problem. Most proles have homes, and even those who don't have places to live available but can'afford them.

2.I don't see why livestock farming couldn't be mostly automated.

3.A legitimate point

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I was a vegetarian for 4 years up until about 1-2 weeks ago as I know that ethical consumption won't end the meat industry. I still eat mainly vegetarian for health reasons but if there is nothing else I won't stop myself.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Gigastrength
When you cook mushroom soop for the commune, and one doesn't wanna eat cause you added bacon.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Why not hunt animals, rather than farm them, if you're upset about the waste of energy that is farmed meat? Animal populations often rise and fall independent of predator population, which is why the US state I live in is able to harvest 200,000 wild deer every year and the population continues to rise. Ideally, you want to keep this population at half carrying capacity, setting bag limits and such.
A
communist system could be implemented, where those who enjoy hunting could kill an estimated number of a species in a way that wouldn't affect the species'populations too drastically, and this meat could be distributed to the whole society. Animals killed to protect farmland and airports and the like, farmland of course which would already be reduced because you're no longer farming animals, could also be used for meat. These are already done and yet often times the meat goes to waste because it can't legally be sold (which is a good thing tbh because it could really encourage poaching).

I almost never eat meat, but when I save enough money up to get into hunting I intend to rely entirely on wild animals for my meat, in case you care.

@Firespawn
Bacon is disguisting and unhealthy and the number one reason I will vote for Shillary to keep Trump out of office. I will convert to islamic communism if I have to.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@CodeBuns
no but there is more ethical consumption

takes2long
takes2long

@Nude_Bikergirl
because not everyone can live off hunting unless we drastically reduce the population

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Nude_Bikergirl
I cut it so thin and boil it and mix it and you can't even see it.

I'LL MAKE ALL MUSLIMS EAT BACON!

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Techpill

That is true, but we already have more than enough to feed everyone on the planet more than enough.

Yes, but not meat. If everyone ate meat at the same frequency as the first world we wouldn´t even be close to producing enough.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Cloned synthetic meat would fix a lot of problems with the meat industry.

askme
askme

@w8t4u
You still don't know what that word means.

Inmate
Inmate

@SniperWish
No matter what technological advances you make you're not going to break the 1st law of thermodynamics. Energy content is much more efficient with crops, and less with animals, because the animals have to eat the crops.

t. physicist

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Bidwell
You failed to understand what spooky means.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@BlogWobbles
It's not about automation. It's a simple fact of biology, as a food chain continues energy content decreases.

@takes2long
this.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Dreamworx
Moralism is bourgeoisie,
The word you're looking for is "bourgeois", because "bourgeoisie" refers to not a concept but a group of people.

SniperWish
SniperWish

We're gonna be eating way less meat in the future no matter what, its environmentally unsustainable, better get used to meat free monday through friday and 100g steaks on sunday.

I went vegan last year and i'm vegetarian now, just do it nigger.

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