The real question is why hasn't the state of New Jersey killed the Joker yet...

Booteefool
Booteefool

The real question is why hasn't the state of New Jersey killed the Joker yet?

Does America in the DC world just lack the death penalty?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Booteefool
Yes, that happens when capeshit is the closest thing to god.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Booteefool
IIRC they did chair him in like one story and Batman tried to stop it.

Im not sure but i think it actually did end with him being fried though, albeit he bouvously came back because CAN'T HAVE BATMAN WITHOUT THE JOKER!

And then they didn't want to bother trying again because the first time was fucking hassle and didn't bite anyway..

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Booteefool
HES INSANE OP!
You can't kill insane people.
They have the insanity defense.
Even if they are not just mass murderers but straight up domestic terrorists apparently.
No actual ID confirming him as a US citizen.
Should be drugged and carted off to a blacksite at the least.

Ideally the character is a mastermind who in a similarly batman like fashion has a myriad of contingencies in place.
Just straight up James Moriarty with a clown motif.
Writing that kind of character takes a little more talent than most comic book writers have so instead hes just a dumb clown who comes back again and again like the villain in a slasher flic franchise.

farquit
farquit

@Boy_vs_Girl
They tried to execute him for one particular murder that he got framed for. Batman stopped it because it was a sham of a trial and a mockery if the Justice system that he got charged and rushed toward death with basically no evidence.

In my opinion, Batman was entirely in the right for stopping that whole mess, but the story fell apart when he didn't present them with the piles of proof to his guilt of other murders so they could have a legitimate open-and-shut case to execute him with.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Booteefool
It's one of the big plot holes in Batman. The supervillains in that series are so destructive that they definitely would have reinstated the death penalty by now. Perhaps Bruce Wayne owns all the politicians and lobbies against the death penalty, because he's a massive fucking liberal or he likes to play dress up or something.

@farquit
The one fucking murder he gets the death penalty for, and that's the one he actually didn't commit.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@happy_sad
Batman's been nothing but big plot holes since The Dark Knight Returns was published. It's nothing but chaos now.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Snarelure
batman has been nothing but plotholes since an elseworlds story was published
Somebody doesn't know why DKR is good.

WebTool
WebTool

@Booteefool
because if he lives he can kill people from new jersey. it's too good to pass up

JunkTop
JunkTop

@SniperWish
Pre-TDKR Batman was consistent as fuck. This is an objective fact.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Is where Gotham City located really that set?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@JunkTop
What do you mean by consistent? You can't be talking about silver age batman, because I'd seek psychological help if you think those comics weren't chaotic.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Booteefool

The real question is why haven't they elected Joker as mayor yet.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Deadlyinx
Because Bruce Wayne is in the pockets of every political figure that matters, and always runs Joker's reputation into the ground when election time comes.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

inb4 robot chicken haters

FastChef
FastChef

Why is the Joker still alive?
That's such a pointless question, because every answer just comes back to "Why would DC want to kill him?"

w8t4u
w8t4u

Come back when you're able to make a character that billions of people know every other week.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evil_kitten
that gun
What is it with some comic book artists not being able to draw firearms at all?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Muh plotholes!

No you dunces, its because Batman keeps him alive

They touched upon this subject many times before, basically the Joker is the one thing giving Batman a reason to live, if he killed the Joker, he would have nothing but petty crime

In a deeper sense, Batman is just as insane as the Joker, they just both chose different sides as an outlet, Joker uses crime, Batman fights crime

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@RavySnake
that's retarded and completely undermines Batman as a sympathetic character

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@farquit
but the story fell apart when he didn't present them with the piles of proof to his guilt of other murders so they could have a legitimate open-and-shut case to execute him with.

They had that evidence. He didn't get the chair for those because he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. The reason he got the chair for this murder was because he was found sane.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Need_TLC
Gotham City (pronounced in Old English as "Goat Home') was an old nickname given to New York City in the late 1800s, after a town in England, one could say Gotham was originally just New York and everyone was really tongue-in-cheek about its name but it evolved to be its own City-State or whatever

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat
Batman
sympathetic character
???

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TurtleCat
If you think Batman is supposed to be sympathetic you completely miss the point of his character, he's insane, he dresses up in a bat suit for fucks sake, he just shows it differently from the Joker

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TurtleCat
The idea that characters have to be 'likeable' or 'sympathetic' is, nine times out of ten, what leads to such shitty writing

JunkTop
JunkTop

@CouchChiller
@DeathDog
superheroes should not need to be heroic

This is why people laugh at capeshit.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@JunkTop
You need to be sympathetic to be heroic

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@GoogleCat
being heroic

@RavySnake
They touched upon this subject many times before, basically the Joker is the one thing giving Batman a reason to live, if he killed the Joker, he would have nothing but petty crime

keeping a deranged madman alive just because he's the protagonist's "reason to live" is heroic

an act of extreme selfish cowardice that runs counter to everything else the character stands for

heroic

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@JunkTop
Is english not your first language or is it just your downs?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Ignoramus
Pretty sure he's just taking the piss m8

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Stupidasole
idk, he's been doing this for an awful long time

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Dreamworx
Never underestimate the power of autism my friend, jokes that never want to die is what killed /b/

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Dreamworx
everyone who has this an opinion I dislike is actually one person

Nice bogeyman.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Boy_vs_Girl
IIRC they did chair him in like one story and Batman tried to stop it.

Im not sure but i think it actually did end with him being fried though, albeit he bouvously came back because CAN'T HAVE BATMAN WITHOUT THE JOKER!

hav u evre seen bateman & jokester in the same room w/ bat man wit his face off and also the joke man when his face off ass well……

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evil_kitten

How did this become a fart thread?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@farquit
If you ask me, I don't think Batman should have stopped it. Yeah, it's less than ideal for Joker to finally go down for the one thing he didn't do. But considering that there's absolutely no question he killed countless other people, and will kill again, if a frame job's the only way to put him out of the picture for good, so be it. Even if he doesn't deserve it for that particular crime, he still deserves it a thousand times over for others.

And regardless of deserving, I'm sure that if Joker's future victims are given the choice between being killed by him, or Joker never killing them because he got executed first, they'd choose Joker getting the chair. That to me is the biggest reason to kill the Joker. It's not to punish him for those he killed, it's to stop him from killing again.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@SniperWish
It's not to punish him for those he killed, it's to stop him from killing again.

Have you ever seen Minority Report? You can't punish people for something they've yet to do.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SniperWish
Even if he doesn't deserve it for that particular crime, he still deserves it a thousand times over for others.

This is the Gordons' view in the story. Gordon thinks he should die anyway because of what he's done to others and what he did to Barbara. Batman disagrees. Batman clears Joker anyway. The Gordons get pissed off at Batman.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@StonedTime
Assuming that Joker will kill again isn't some iffy, maybe self-fulfilling prophecy deal when he's escaped and killed again so many times already. It's about as controversial as assuming that the next time you drop something, it'll fall.

Using actual past actions as a predictor of future actions is how we make sense of the world, and unless you go around jumping off the roof until you finally fly, you do too. I see no problem with applying the same logic to Joker.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@ZeroReborn
Maybe, but you can't discount the possibility that he could be rehabilitated, especially when there's a Joker story where exactly that happened

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Booteefool
Originally the writers never had to consider giving him a death sentence because he was just a deranged petty criminal who focused on robbery.

Then DC decided to make him a murderous rapist for some reason, but never bothered to ask what would happen to real life criminals who did the things nuJoker did. So they kept the revolving door at Arkham formula going, but without the crucial element of Joker being a non-lethal felon who could believably be given sympathy by the system for his mental health issues.

All you can do is completely suspend your disbelief.

FastChef
FastChef

@AwesomeTucker
Originally the writers never had to consider giving him a death sentence because he was just a deranged petty criminal who focused on robbery.

He killed four people in Batman #1 alone. The story's the exact reason why Batman, from then on, was never allowed to kill anyone or use a gun.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Better question is how is the joker not shot by a random cop/thug/civilian?

It's the joker, his mere presence gives you a 100% justification to kill him in self defense no matter what he is doing.

That would be a hell of an end for the joker, wouldn't it? Bats is taking him in. He's talking about "oh I can't wait till next time, I'll kill evenore people." So one of the cops he's being handed over to just pumps him full of lead.

Though I think that's just the plot to kingdom come.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@FastChef

WHY DO YOU DO THIS?

WHY DO YOU SUMMON ME FROM THE DARKNESS?

WHY, YOU RETARDED ASS CASUAL?

Batman stopped carrying a gun after Detective Comics #33, fucking seven months before Batman #1. Batman's killing, which was already far and few between, was already phased out before the singular exception,"The Monster Men of Hugo Strange", was published in Batman #1 (it was supposed to appear in Detective Comics #38, but it got pushed out for the first appearance of Robin). Batman's "no-kill" rule was fully cemented after New York World's Fair Comics #2, July 1940, at the request of the New York World's Fair Committee.

As for The Joker's murders in Batman #1 (he killed 7 people, with the possibility of 11 if the shots he fired while escaping were fatal), he paid for those crimes in Detective Comics #64 "The Joker Walks the Last Mile". The state executed him, but he had his gang revive him, making him a free man. That story marked the culmination of the toning down of The Joker that started the minute editor Whitney Ellsworth saved him from death at the end of Batman #1.

DON'T MAKE ME COME IN HERE AGAIN, YOU CASUAL PIECE OF SHIT.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@happy_sad
he's a massive fucking liberal or he likes to play dress up

There's a difference?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SniperWish
While I get why he should get the death sentence, him getting it for the wrong reason/ fake evidence is simpoly wrong.
A murder was commited and the wrong guy was accused and sentenced. So what about the real killer? He still runs freely around, with Bats maybe catching him someday, maybe not.

Not getting him sentenced for all the murders he actually did commit is my main problem with it.
Fuck his insanity. He killed more than enough that it should be pretty evidend that he knows precisley what he's doing, and should be sentenced accordingly.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@happy_sad
The supervillains in that series are so destructive that they definitely would have reinstated the death penalty by now

Americans won't even execute Charles Manson, never mind anybody else actually dangerous.

Evilember
Evilember

@Burnblaze
Execution is a state by state thing. Some states are reluctant to execute, others will execute you as soon as they can. So blame whatever state Manson is serving his sentence in, not the entirety of the states.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Booteefool
The joker is far too popular to be killed off. If it was a lesser villain, he would have gotten the chair years ago.

girlDog
girlDog

@Snarelure

miller's creative proccess.gif

iluvmen
iluvmen

@RavySnake
if he killed the Joker, he would have nothing but petty crime

likme
likme

@Burnblaze
Commiefornians won't even execute Charles Manson
fixed

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