Why haven't you moved to Linux yet?

TreeEater
TreeEater

I just installed openSUSE alongside my Win7 partition. I didn't realise what I was missing out on. Why haven't you taken the plunge yet, Leeky Forums?

All urls found in this thread:
http://zorinos.com/
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html
https://forums.linuxmint.com/
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers/
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/os-showdown-windows-10-vs-linux-1299406
https://petermolnar.eu/photoshop-cs5-under-linux/
Snarelure
Snarelure

I’d just like to interject for moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

JunkTop
JunkTop

Implying

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TreeEater
I can't into tech and Linux with its thousands of distros looks confusing as fuck

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Supergrass
If you want my honest suggestion, go with Linux mint. It's a good distro to use, coming off of windows because it looks and acts very similarly. You can travel farther down the rabbit hole, later.
pic related is Linux Mint KDE

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Crazy_Nice
I use Plasma 5 on openSUSE.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I'll never install it because it is over cumbersome and a waste of good cpu. It can hardly even play swf files without fucking up.

5mileys
5mileys

@haveahappyday
cumbersome
install gentoo

takes2long
takes2long

"I just load emacs directly into the memory and never turn my machine off" Richard Stallmen

Bidwell
Bidwell

@haveahappyday
linux
cumbersome
windows
efficient

girlDog
girlDog

@TreeEater
I tried a few distros over the time and didn't like any of them. Lucid Puppy was amazing for a live OS, but I only used it on an old notebook had no hard drive (because broken). Ubuntu is overrated as fuck and not near to the convenience of Windows 7, which I still use.

The fact Photoshop won't properly run is also reason enough to not switch. And no, GIMP is not an acceptable alternative.

Techpill
Techpill

@haveahappyday
GNU/Linux is over-cumbersome
calling a computer a 'cpu'
not even competent enough on how to play an SWF on GNU/Linux

Well, I'm sorry you were born without a brain, user. 2/10, made me respond

@Supergrass
It's really not confusing at all, actually. Just look for a distro that interests you. Once you've found a distro that interests you, look at the available Desktop Environments (DEs). Try to find a distro that you both like and has a DE that you like.

You can try Manjaro if you want. It's basically a user-friendly version of Arch. Of course, you shouldn't expect to be able to master command line right off-the-bat. However, I honestly enjoy how Manjaro is done. I prefer it over Arch simply because I'm lazy, but it's honestly not that bad.

If you really want to go for a "user-friendly" distro, you can try Linux Mint, but just know that you won't get everything new. It relies on a lot of older packages. You need to keep this in mind if you plan on compiling things yourself, or want to be edgy enough to go for bleeding edge on everything.

Though, if you're just wanting a distro you can use to get your bearings in GNU/Linux, go for Lubuntu. 14.04 will be easy enough. It's not the "prettiest", but it'll get your feet wet enough to let you move onto other distros eventually. Learn how to use command line, and start trying to compile your own things. If you're scared of fucking up your PC beforehand, install VMWare and install Lubuntu 14.04 into a VM. That'll make it safe, even if you were to fuck up on installing Lubuntu in the VM.

@girlDog
PhotoShop isn't worth staying on Windows. In fact, you can get it to run in WINE if you work with it enough to get it to run. There have been some anons that have managed to do so. Not even attempting to try to do it is just pure laziness.

@TreeEater
Glad to see you're moving along into the wonderful world of GNU/Linux. Just be sure to avoid all of the idiocy regarding SJWs, since they're really trying to invade (FL)OSS hard these days. Try grabbing Manjaro (like mentioned above to that other anon), you'll probably like it. If you're into enterprise-type distros, you can try CentOS too. Hell, I like SliTaz (not an enterprise distro, just works pretty good on older hardware), but it's a little tedious when first setting it up.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Techpill
direct you to @King_Martha
>>5696811

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PackManBrainlure
Yeah, and? Putting up a Strawman isn't going to help your case. If you have nothing to actually say, you can fuck right off.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
doesn't know what a strawman actually is

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Techpill
CS3 didn't run and it was the only version I had when I tried. And I actually put some effort in it. As far as forums told me, CS2 would run and CS4 and CS5 somewhat, but not without issues. OS was Ubuntu.
PhotoShop isn't worth staying on Windows.
For me it's the application I don't want to miss. Everything else is less important, even gaming.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RumChicken
I know a Strawman when I see one, user.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stupidasole
actual evidence
Strawman
Pick one you dumb fucking autist.

takes2long
takes2long

One of the computers we have at home runs on linus and honestly, it's seriously a hassle work on it. I tried it, I disliked it.

likme
likme

@StrangeWizard
If you really have that much of an issue with not being able to go without PhotoShop, just use a VM. Or even just dual-boot. I didn't explicitly say to get rid of Windows entirely. I just said it isn't worth staying on Windows for.

@Raving_Cute
Evidence of what? I don't hail Stallman. I think he's fighting for a great cause and I do support that cause, but I don't explicitly hail him, nor did I even remotely state anything in regards to him.

If you're talking about the "over-cumbersome" comment, you literally are illiterate. Stallman simply said in an interview that he'd rather leave installing the OS to people who know how to install it. It's not even that hard to learn how to install it, so I think the person who programmed the GNU OS can learn how to do it if he really wanted to. He runs GNU/Linux just fine. The only thing he even touches on in that video is the installation of it. The person I replied to (I'll assume it's you) said GNU/Linux was cumbersome. Not specifically just the part about installation.

He pretty much learns only what he needs to or wants, and leaves the rest to people who know what they're doing if possible. Which I see no wrong in doing.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@likme
Or even just dual-boot.
This would be an option. Maybe I'll do that. But I would still need a better distro than Ubuntu.

WebTool
WebTool

@Methnerd
That depends on what you're doing. I'm not really sure what you prefer and how much your experience is in regards to cli.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@WebTool
I'm quite content with the Windows 7 structure. I want to use the terminal as little as possible. I also don't want to compile anything manually. So I would basically need a lazy ass normie OS (but not as shitty as OSX, which is just awful). Ideas?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Nojokur
Try ZorinOS. It's based upon Ubuntu, but it should fit your criteria. http://zorinos.com/

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Fried_Sushi
I'll give it a shot. Thanks, user!

girlDog
girlDog

@Booteefool
Alrighty. If the thread is still up by the time you get done with choosing on whether or not you'll decide to go through with Zorin after previewing it, let me know how it went.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Booteefool
@girlDog
Oh, and you're welcome.

Methshot
Methshot

@girlDog
I'm currently downloading the image file, but probably won't it install today, because I'll have some friends come over. If the thread is still there in the next days, I'll give a report.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Methshot
it install
Ah, fuck me. I'm tired.

WebTool
WebTool

I moved to GNU/Linux 8 months ago with no Windows anymore, before that 8 months I had dulaboot with Mint and Windows 8.1.

But GNU/Linux is simply superior it can all the things for free and you don't even need to pay anything.

It just werks if you take something like Mint, Ubuntu or Suse.

I would recommend Suse cause it's awesome.

likme
likme

@Methshot
@PackManBrainlure
You don't need to install it, you can run it as a LiveUSB to preview how it feels. If you like how it feels after that, then you can start the installation process. Keep in mind the live instance will be somewhat slower than an actual install on your PC.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Hardware Acceleration is often broken.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TreeEater
implying
been using Debian for ages

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Methnerd
only if you insist on using firefox.

when using chromium it will be fine

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Fried_Sushi
firefox is doing fine, you just need to configure it a bit

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Switched from Win8.1 to Antergos about 7 months ago. Then Antergos broke and I switched to Manjaro a few weeks ago. Win8.1 ran like shit on my computer and would crash at random times.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
dualbooting like a sissy faggot
You have no right to create a "why haven't you" thread, pleb.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TreeEater
dualbooting like a sissy faggot
You have no right to create a "why haven't you" thread, pleb.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Crazy_Nice
Mint with KDE or Cinnamon is an excellent choice for a first distro. I strongly recommend it over other 'friendly' distros like Fedora, Ubuntu, etc.

@girlDog
Oh yes, the classic 'I cannot be bothered to learn another piece of software, therefor it is inferior' argument. Wouldn't be a linux thread without it.

@likme
A VM could actually be a really good choice for this. I just tried passthrough a few months ago (had an extra video card and PSU, figured why not) and was really impressed by the gaming performance; figured it was about 95%+ the performance on native Windows. One of these days I'll actually benchmark it, but until then I think I can say it's a viable alternative to native Windows.

@Spazyfool
My man. For all the distros I've tried, I keep coming back.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evil_kitten
personally i wouldn't recommend Cinnamon. it's a big buggy

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Flameblow
Really? I don't think I had any issues when I tried it a year ago, but I guess that could have changed.

Anything in particular?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Because I like playing games, decent drivers, 24/7 tech support and running popular editing programs like Mixcraft, Sony Vegas Pro and Photoshop. Windows can do pretty much everything, Linux is a specialty tool useful in only a few situations. If I ever come across an old fart computer I don't feel like buying a Windows license for I'll pump Ubuntu or Mint onto it though, but I think I'll stay away from Mint because I don't trust their competency as much as Canonical since they got hacked a couple months ago.

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
well, 4ex, it often freezes when using WINE

Playboyize
Playboyize

@haveahappyday
Spotted the normie

Emberfire
Emberfire

@haveahappyday
Because I like playing games
no problem
decent drivers
no problem
24/7 tech support
we have 24/7 basement dwellers ready to hack pentagon servers no seriously, those fuckers can make a patch in less than an hour after the release
popular editing programs
popular
here's your problem
Windows can do pretty much everything
it can do shit without a proper, 3rd party software

girlDog
girlDog

tell me why i should switch to linux then instead of making your thread and asking your retarded question

if you can tell me why i should switch in not too many words then maybe i'll consider.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@girlDog
are you that guy who's gonna add >muh in front of every single argument?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

ITT shills pushing hard to keep the masses enslaved.
current_year
using NSA-OS

Free you're mind user, you are ass will follow.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Emberfire
ayy satan

massdebater
massdebater

@TreeEater
Because I can't play games like GTA 5 on it, and dual booting for vidya isn't worth it when I can just use one OS for everything.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TreeEater
I dual boot Win 8.1 and Ubuntu.

Suck my dick if you don't like Ubuntu for whatever reason.

That aside, learning to use Linux is something every programmer should do.

Techpill
Techpill

@massdebater
Actually it's very much worth it. You could always follow the advice of using a VM and having a passthrough like @Evil_kitten
had.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Techpill
You need 2 video cards and only get the performance of one of them
You still have to use windows

No thanks

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Why haven't you moved to Linux yet?

SIGSEGV_Reading null VMA

Nojokur
Nojokur

@massdebater
because i can't play games like Dungeon Keeper on it

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Firespawn
Then either deal with continuing to be cucked or stop being a whiny little bitch and dual-boot.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@massdebater
what is WINE

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sharpcharm
Yes free your mind neo! That is your rebuttal. Nice work.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Garbage Can Lid
Again, why bother dual booting when I can use one OS for everything I need?

@King_Martha
It doesn't work on wine. I've tried it already.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Firespawn
You can also use integrated graphics for the host and pass the card to the VM, saving a video card. My card was the cheapest device I could find that had 3 outputs. If I wanted to get into serious games using passthrough, my $60 card would be used by the host and my [not purchased] expensive card would be passed to the VM. It's not like you need two fucking 970s.

But based on your apparent understanding of the issue I don't think you'd even be capable of configuring passthrough. Probably best for you to just stick with Windows.

@King_Martha
WINE is profoundly fucky. Can't recommend.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire
Oh yes, the classic 'I cannot be bothered to learn another piece of software, therefor it is inferior' argument. Wouldn't be a linux thread without it.
Why the fuck should I learn software which already should be intuitive from second one, especially it I already have a working OS, retard? Because muh proprietary software? If I want do something that requires learning effort, it will definately not be another OS. Go fuck yourself, wannabe elite people like you are the reason for Linux not having a larger userbase. I also never said it's inferior, so stop putting words in my mouth. Faggot.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@hairygrape
implying
there's a thing called license and WINE is limited by it. use native windows libraries and it will run like charm

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Snarelure
Not all of the time, a few of the games/programs I've ran via WINE that I normally use ran excellently. It's a hit or miss on default configuration, but I get what you're saying. (not the user you're responding too, btw)

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Snarelure
It's not that I'm not capable. It's just not worth the effort.

@eGremlin
Okay then you try running it on wine. When you get it to actually start and hopefully not look potato then I'll switch to linux.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@DeathDog
Damn, how fucking mad are you.

If you don't consider GIMP to be an acceptable alternative to Photoshop then I can only assume you don't know how to use it and are unwilling to try. Hence my tongue-in-cheek comment.

And it's not exactly a new argument, by the way. Any time this topic comes up, someone chimes in about Photoshop. If you give a boring, canned excuse then you should expect a boring, canned retort.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Raving_Cute
It's not that I'm not capable. It's just not worth the effort.

You also seem like you're not worth the effort.

girlDog
girlDog

I just thinking about instaling something, I worked for some time on ubuntu live.
Still got free laptop where i could but some linux.
What distro would you guys advice that's challenging but worth the effort? Also any way to dual bot it when the w7 is already instaled?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@DeathDog
muh
i was waiting for someone to finally use it. it's like a Godwin's law made for linux threads

massdebater
massdebater

@hairygrape
If you're not a programmer or web developer or in IT or something related, then there is no need to ever learn to use Linux. Ignore faggots who think it's a special club.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@girlDog
Debian
because Debian

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Poker_Star
Ok… And what so special about that distro?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Need_TLC
Yeah, I kind of gave up on WINE last year. I've found that PlayOnLinux is probably the best wrapper for WINE but it still is very hit or miss. I was able to run some pretty interesting games pretty well but when I ran up against certain problems there simply wasn't a way around them. That's an unusual and unpleasant problem for a linux user.

@girlDog
Try debian, but go beneath the surface. If you want a challenge, use the debian security guide to harden your system. It's a lot of work and you'll learn a lot and get very comfortable with many of the system's tools.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Carnalpleasure
Why not.
I will try.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
P.S Will it work if I would instal it second to w7, or do i need to instal that one first cause, no fucking way around?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@girlDog
challenging but worth the effort
Gentoo or Void. Arch if you're okay with that too. Though, it's probably not really wise for you to jump into them off the bat. You should learn how to use command line and compile shit manually before going into those three. Debian, like the other anons have suggested, would be a good way to start learning all of this stuff. It's widely supported and you're guaranteed to have tech support when you need it.

@Carnalpleasure
Yeah, it is. Sadly, it'll continue to happen for a long time. Though, most of what I ever would need WINE for runs pretty decently, if not like it was natively on Windows. (WarCraft III, HeidiSQL, and a few other things that I can't remember off of the top of my head)

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
Yeah, it'll do it just fine. It'll provide a bootloader for you. Pretty sure they'll give you GRUB.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Emberburn
i must say that my old W7, even tho it's heavily modified and a bit sluggish, showed me BSOD when one of my RAM sticks got damaged
looks like i can manage my OS well

Booteefool
Booteefool

linuxes suck when it's about the newest games which could work fine but are heavily wrapped in various crap that makes sure that nothing unauthorized can ever touch it

w8t4u
w8t4u

Name me an OS that has no botnets or spyware or NSA shit and has a high usability and compatibility.

massdebater
massdebater

@cum2soon
being this young
Trashman.jpg

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@w8t4u
or read up and make an informed decision.

https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html

Skullbone
Skullbone

Derailing this thread for a second, I know this is kinda half-chan shit but R8 my setup. (Also on Botnet 10 for Adobe and games)

Emberburn
Emberburn

@w8t4u
the beautiful thing about open source is that you can personally look in the code and see if it has some crap in there

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Skullbone
good chair/10

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Skullbone
is that even a desk? looks like a vanity or some shit.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberburn
Thats if you can read the code or the language in the first place.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Skullbone
Do you happen to post on Craigslist? I happen to see a guy post on there often that looks like he has that set-up.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@DeathDog
Nah coincidence, I'm a Britbong

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberburn
While I have little doubt the 'anon' you posted to is an NSA shill, it is important to keep non-free blobs off you're system. That's where they hide the malware. For example proprietary drivers from NVidia.

Other than that yea, you're right. There are a number of distros that are focusing intently on being free of unwelcome code, and mechanisms for distributed trust.

Debian is cucked for certain. So if integrity is important to you, stay away from it or any subsidiary distros (Ubuntu, Mint, etc).

Redhat? Pfft. No. Plainly in bed.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperWish
It came with a keyboard tray, so I assume so.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@ZeroReborn
Ah, excuse my faggotry then. Nice set-up though. Have you thought about going for a dual-display?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Firespawn
It's honestly a good chair, I wouldn't pay full price but i got it for free using amazon refund. Only downside is that it's kinda uncomfortable when I wank because I spread ma legs wide and its not shaped for you to do that

whereismyname
whereismyname

@eGremlin
Debian got rid of all the non-free blobs

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BunnyJinx
Yeah I'm gonna get another ultra-wide and use the one I have vertically.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@whereismyname
It's possible I suppose. But, even if so, downstream distros that lag well behind I would still be quite skeptical of trusting. For example Mint. It's a great beginner distro (the best beginner distro?), but hardly trustworthy imo.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
I'm a NSA shill

Excuse me, but care to explain how asking an innocent question about a topic I don't know much about makes me an NSA shill? You might as well call me a Kike and you would sound just as delusional.

The only Linux iterations I have some amount of experience with are Ubuntu and Raspbian and years ago FreeBSD which didn't go so well but thats no really Linux but oh well.

Im still running Win 7 due to comparability with software I use but that much of it, outside of some games, has Linux compatibility anyway so instead of going to Win10 I would rather go something less botnet.

likme
likme

@Supergrass
Awesome, I've been seeing a lot of anons going vertical for reading threads on chans and other things like that.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
Hitler dubs confirm NSA ITT
Maybe you should direct you are response over to the user that was talking about the beauty of peer-review of open-source software?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Is there any sort of reading material useful for understanding and getting into Linux?

Techpill
Techpill

@Poker_Star
Linux is very easy to get into these days user, so just install a friendly with dual-boot and just go with it.

Learn by using will be the way to get the most out of it. Apart from that, the Internet and the many, many Linux community forums are by far the best source of current info.

Methshot
Methshot

@happy_sad
Debian is not liked by GNU because it allows to install non free software while GNU is fanatic about distros that don't have any non free stuff, to the point that those systems should refuse to install anything non free
and yeah, i'd stay away from Mint if i was crazy about free software

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methshot
The position I'm taking is on the trustworthiness of the code free from exploits. While that's a tangential concern of Stallman, his is more of a philosophical position. Mine is strictly from the security and trustworthiness view. I'm not particularly concerned with licensing, and as a commercial dev, I frankly consider the GPL a bit of cancer. I much prefer the BSD or MIT licenses tbh fam.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Techpill
@Methshot
@Burnblaze
citations needed

Flameblow
Flameblow

I have been on Linux so long I have no idea how to use Windows.

I never even used Windows 7 or 8 or 10 before.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberburn
https://forums.linuxmint.com/

@Flameblow
I still have to maintain Windows for others, but yea. Windows has become a terrible botnet for Microsoft and the US Government now. You're missing all the fun user!

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Burnblaze
well, if it's about stability and security, Debian gets top rate. they can take 3 years to test everything before releasing a new stable version, that says something
also i use Debian for years and without problems
i know this sounds like a shill but i'm really used to it and can say from experience that it's reliable
@Emberburn
read what GNU thinks about Mint

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Snarelure
You can also use integrated graphics for the host and pass the card to the VM, saving a video card. My card was the cheapest device I could find that had 3 outputs. If I wanted to get into serious games using passthrough, my $60 card would be used by the host and my [not purchased] expensive card would be passed to the VM. It's not like you need two fucking 970s.

You can't suspend the host without the VM fucking up.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Ignoramus
No shit. What's your point? How does that possibly affect what I said?

FastChef
FastChef

@Soft_member
I like to save electricity, faggot.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@FastChef
OK, don't play cowadoody on max settings. You'll save way more by using an efficient video card and reducing its workload. Now, through careful rationing of power, you can use passthrough!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@w8t4u
I use passthrough myself, and I'm telling you it's shit.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

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Skullbone
Skullbone

I understand your frustration

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Booteefool
OK, I thought you were talking about Linux in general, not GIMP. Sorry for that one.

Yes, I got extremely mad because everytime Linux comes up, people complain about Windows being the dominant OS while still asking for re-learning to use a computer, which is exactly a valid point regular people will avoid. An OS has to be self explaining for a major audience, not only for /tech/. If that isn't given, no Linux distro will ever take the lead, no matter if it's technically better or not. Anyone who thinks it's still the old era when computers were mostly a nerd gadget and thus demand you have to adapt and basically learn a language damages their own cause more than MS ever could. That elitist stupid arrogant behaviour puts me faster into rage than post errors and trap threads combined.

As for GIMP, I already used it. It's okay, but Photoshop is really superior. It's more comfortable, you'll find more inplugs, more tutoriials and most important: No business office will use it. If I prepare something for work (maybe I'm an exception here, but I'm not a NEET), it has to be a psd file, just because they will have Photoshop, not GIMP. So yes, it is a good reason to use Windows, even if it's only for one special piece of software. It might it be in dual or solo, but there's no way without it.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@ZeroReborn
That elitist stupid arrogant behaviour puts me faster into rage than post errors and trap threads combined.
KEK

>I do it in the shell user

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TreeEater
I didn't realise what I was missing out on.
Name one thing.

farquit
farquit

@Fuzzy_Logic
terminal

askme
askme

@farquit
test goat please ignore

whereismyname
whereismyname

how do you generate a random string?

put a Windows user in front of vi, and tell him to exit!

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@eGremlin
they can take 3 years to test everything before releasing a new stable version
In that case debian probably won't even work with my hardware.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Snarelure
It's not like you need two fucking 970s.
I never implyed that you need 2 of the same kind of video cards. I did however forget that integrated graphics was still a thing.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Snarelure
Amen! I agree with Saint IGNUcius! I have been using the GNU operating system since 2003

Booteefool
Booteefool

@ZeroReborn
The OS shouldn't require itself to literally dumb itself down. The fact that our society has devolved to the point where people legitimately expect that really says something.

When you dumb shit down like that to make it idiot-proof and 'convenient', you lose security and functionality. Having them actually learn how to do things is much better. I speak from the experience of teaching many people about GNU/Linux.

And for the record, most people I've encountered that don't want to switch entirely aren't doing it because it's "hard" or that they have to "learn" how to use their computer again. It's because most people nowadays play some type of Windows-only game and are too dedicated to those specific games to want to purge Windows from their computers. I will say that they all prefer GNU/Linux over Windows though.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BlogWobbles
There is also Debian Testing

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

been there since 1999 cap'n

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Raving_Cute
Mine works fine.

WebTool
WebTool

@whereismyname
Linux, we like the simplest of tasks ridiculously complex. This makes us proud of ourselves.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

give linux a try
works okay for a while
get on computer one day
X is broken
spend a bit on google figuring out how to unfuck it
computer works for a while again
come back after not getting on computer for a week
a few programs won't work or some audio shit is messed up with certain files
spend time on google again since it's been awhile since the last time it's fucked up and I forgot how to fix it

It's just a pain in the ass. If you use your computer every day or use it for work or something I'm sure you could remember how to fix it everytime something fucks up, but when I just want to play a game or watch a movie or something I don't want to spend 30-60 mins figuring out how to unfuck it.

I just want it to work. No one would put up with this bullshit if your car broke down a few times a month but since it's linux everyone makes an exception and talks about how good it is.

No, it's good if it fucking works when I need it to. If I had a gun that misfired a few times a month I wouldn't fucking keep the gun, I'd sell that shit right now.

girlDog
girlDog

@Ignoramus
give linux a try
works perfectly fine
getting old and it just doesn't stop working
it eventually outlives my old PC hardware
i'm 100% sure that you used an unstable distro

cum2soon
cum2soon

@TreeEater
number one reason why linux will NEVER EVER be mainstream.

They need to create packages for the fucking OS.

ya, like EXE's. Except linux packages. That have all the shit needed to run and install the fucking application.

NOt install the app, oh oops. Your missing this that and that. oh and that too, but wait a min, it's gotta be this version of that.

Fuck off.

Linux…..pffft

it's why MAC which is basically "linux" or Gnu. OR unix. whatever the fuck you wanna go for the original idea from.

And yet mac succeeds. And it's because they package all their shit.

Oh…so you wanna compile the bullshit yourself, without packages. Well you should have the option to do that too.

That is why linux will never be mainstream.

Want it to catch on, do what mac does.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@cum2soon
o>>5700273
EXACTLY!!!!

so to add to my packages idea. If something breaks in windows, you simply uninstall and reinstall it.

Takes like 10 min max

With linux, your like awww fuckkkkk. This particular app was a fucking bitch to install and now it's broke

IF you have to go through that grief, it's not worth it.

If linux simply made packages for EVERYTHING. you could just do what you do in a windows environment. Uninstall, reinstall and be up and running in 10 min.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TreeEater
i have no need for linux. i can run ubuntu inside windows 10 natively
GNU/windows? ;)

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers/

Methshot
Methshot

@cum2soon
@iluvmen
what is .deb
what is .rpm
what is .ebuild
what is .pisi
what is .pup
what is .pet

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Methshot
These are not complete packages and you fucking know it

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Methshot
Those are just package types.

If you cant' understand adult speak. Let me put it in a way you can understand

If you for example install program X in windows. And it needs say SQL or some other program.
It will install it for you. the exe comes COMPLETE. With everything you fucking need. Right out of the box.

Where as, your .deb or .rpm ect. Repositories, May or MAY NOT and usually it's NOT, come with the entire pacakges.
Or try downloading packages off of shit sites.
They will give you the base package, but it will need this and that and that.

There is a reason why windows is more widely used than linux

I will grant you, linux is more stable
But if its' so fucking bad ass, then ALL of us would be using it.

But I stand by what i said. Due to the fact, the packages are not complete like windows exe's.

Linux will never be mainstream.

idontknow
idontknow

@Garbage Can Lid
@haveahappyday
Microsoft literally entraps people into Windows. That's why GNU/Linux hasn't caught on

And no, they are complete packages. What you are referring to are dependencies, which are not a part of the package. Just what the package depends on. Entirely different.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@idontknow
potato potahtoe

Point being, a MS exe, has all the fucking shit i need to isntall whatever it is i fuckign want

Don't liek the microshit reference

FINE….MAC
same dealio

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Skullbone
When you actually USE A FUCKING PACKAGE MANAGER LIKE A SMART PERSON, you don't need to hunt down dependencies one-by-one. Not only that, but they're also statically linked, so you're not installing the SAME fucking dependencies over and over, bloating up your disk space usage for no fucking reason whatsoever. Once you've installed that one dependency, you're done with anything in regards to that except for updating it when need be. No need to ever have it installed again.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@cum2soon
literally everything is automatic nowdays

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Booteefool
being this retarded to not see this was addressed in the thread before

I'll pay you $100.00USD to fuck off.

askme
askme

@haveahappyday
What a faggot.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

1) no wifi
2) no sound
3) graphic card unsupported, generic drivers
4) ""libre """"games"""""
5) how do i install skype

Probably a combination of those for most people.

The truth is that it's not all that bad these days. 1) and 2), however bothering and 1991-tier, can usually be resolved (through command lines that most won't understand at first, which is a bit disconcerting)

3) can be very bothering. Doesn't help 4). Linux gaming leaves to be desired. SteamOS…

5) people being attached to shitty, ad-ridden, cpu hogs application because everyone uses them. There's plenty of amazing FOSS alternatives

Methnerd
Methnerd

@viagrandad
Linux users don't have any money.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Methnerd
On the contrary my little retarded winfag, I actually save my money instead of spending it on shitty Windows licenses.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Skullbone
NaCl packages installed successfully

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Ignoramus
I understand that you can't afford bait of higher quality because you keep spending all your money on Windows licenses, but that doesn't give you the right to throw such shit bait at me.

takes2long
takes2long

@Booteefool
checked
& kek'd

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Methnerd
i earn more money than you ever will. enjoy your NEET

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Booteefool
i made tens of maps for SC/SC2 and never played any of them except for testing

Emberburn
Emberburn

@cum2soon
@iluvmen
@Garbage Can Lid
@haveahappyday
@Skullbone
i'm twelve years old and this is my understanding of computers

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Skullbone
You know not every windows user actually pays for licenses.

WebTool
WebTool

@Firespawn
just like most linux users could afford windows but choose not to use it.

see how this argument just makes you look like a giant faggot? :^)

Playboyize
Playboyize

@WebTool
But I see nothing wrong with choosing to use linux over windows. In fact I would really love to see it become the primary OS for all computers in the future. However I still use windows because of the high hardware/software compatibility.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Playboyize
you people do realize that it's only a matter of time? compare linuxes nowdays to these from 10y ago. now compare to these from 20y ago

King_Martha
King_Martha

kjhbvdsjnbfkjmndfjmnbdmnbernbewjnbrwjnrkjnewrjnbwejnbrwfrewr

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Firespawn
If you're referring to OEM installs, you're still paying for that. It's just included in the price.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TreeEater
I didn't realise what I was missing out on

Today… in stuff that never happened

FastChef
FastChef

@Flameblow
I am not. I thought my skull and swords img made what I was referring to clear.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RavySnake
ya sureeeeeee

one statement can derail this whole fucking thread

If Linux was so great. why isn't everyone using it then?

Lets hear the whine

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nojokur
I think the main reason the average person doesn't use it is because most people can't be arsed to install an operating system so they just use whatever came preinstalled with their computers which is usually windows or OSX.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Nojokur
If being hwite is so good why isn'd everone white? Chegmade, adeisds :DDDD!

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Spazyfool
i started with mint. used it for like a year. tried arch, fedora,freebsd, ended up switching to debian 8. debian is just better documented, and supported. and you can configure literally anything to run on it if you take the time.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Nojokur
because everyone doesnt care about having an optimized system. most normalfags just wanna browse the nets and watch prons and vidya gaymin.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@FastChef
Those are not legitimate Windows users. Even if they use Windows, it is an illegitimate install. Therefore they do not count. I was completely aware you were referring to pirating.

girlDog
girlDog

@Bidwell
I already told that idiot before that Microsoft literally entraps people into using Windows, but he won't listen. Either that, or he's legitimately retarded. Probably both.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@girlDog
LOL
You should use linux just to be rebellious
KYS

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Playboyize
thinking I care about being 'rebellious'
I don't even care if this is just bait either.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Burnblaze
you lost the game

FastChef
FastChef

@eGremlin
Just keep feeding me some bait, user. I'm still hungry.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@FastChef
windows is a faster operating system, runs at a lower temperature and the firewall is much easier to configure

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@GoogleCat
What is this shit, did you go to fucking Walmart for this bait? Jesus fuck, it's all moldy

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fuzzy_Logic
its all true
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/os-showdown-windows-10-vs-linux-1299406

5mileys
5mileys

@Nojokur
Thanks for the read, but it bored me.

On a serious side-note though, you would think they would stop putting everything in the fucking Kernel if it doesn't have to be there. How many vulnerabilities do they need to keep causing by doing shit like this before they ever learn?

takes2long
takes2long

@Bidwell
No, the reason why is because grandma apple seed can't fucking use linux

you are spouting i am a computer wizard. But don't understand the core fundamental in what an OS needs to be to become mainstream.

Win95 started it all. It's where little grandma appleseed could double click and EXE and the darn thing just worked. (90%) of the time.
That's it. Its' that simple

When an old person can use it out of the fucking box, and install personal shit without going into command line, ect.

You have a winner. Mac….no need for command line. Anyone can install shit. Case in point.

If mac was like linux, i can guarenfuckingtee you none of those hipsters would use that OS.

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
Most people who use GNU/Linux don't care if it becomes mainstream or not. A lot of us just want people to stop making shit so hard for us and actually take back their rights. Also, I've had several successful cases of installing Linux Mint on computers that belong to normies (some older than seventy), and they use it just fine.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Nojokur
why isn't everyone using it then?
because the majority of people are morons. it's that simple

Lunatick
Lunatick

@idontknow
year of the linux desktop
ubuntu confident cuckold has made linux computing less intimidating than it's ever been
m$ really did it this time!
macfags won't care about apple now that steve jobs is dead
m$ is finally acknowledging linux and oss! see? they know defeat is eminent!

Spamalot
Spamalot

the fun this is that for most of normies, distros like mint or ubuntu would be perfectly fine because you don't need advanced system to browse internet, send mails n stuff

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Lunatick
Actually I think Ubuntu is cancer as well, but it's not like I'm going to load Gentoo on a normie's system.

Obviously I use better distros, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think otherwise.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@happy_sad
same

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nojokur
Windows 10 vs Linux
Linux
there are retards who actually do this shit
there are an even bigger retards who swallow that shit

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Snarelure
he asked for bait anon….

WebTool
WebTool

@TalkBomber
i meant the article

5mileys
5mileys

@WebTool
o. didnt read it

Bidwell
Bidwell

@takes2long
Android is based on linux and that doesn't seem to stop people from using it. All little grandma applecunt needs is an easy to use distro.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

ajfowqhigfqhwiahl

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Playboyize
Well you sure as hell can't use anything else.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TalkBomber
Android is based on linux
shhh, user, don't crush their dreams

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@King_Martha
shut the fuck up fag

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@lostmypassword
who is this semen demon and where is the "more" that obviously followed?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StrangeWizard
this

massdebater
massdebater

@TreeEater
Honestly? More than 80% of my steam library won't work natively on any distro. Instead of trying to get people to convert, make it worth converting to by making a way for DirectX to work in a linux environment you nigger.

Techpill
Techpill

@Skullbone
VOX, good man, what kind of guitfiddle you got there boyo?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@massdebater
b-but wine user

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Methnerd
Wine is an emulator. Shit needs to run natively.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methnerd
You are missing the point. Emu's and VMs are all well and good for the initiated, but for normies things need to work right out of the box

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
b-but Wine Is Not an Emulator user

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Lord_Tryzalot
take it up with MS since they own the rights to directX

TreeEater
TreeEater

@DeathDog
Wine is an emulator

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@massdebater
@DeathDog
@Lord_Tryzalot
DirectX is installed on every Windows by default

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
Wine is an emulator

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@DeathDog
@Lord_Tryzalot
WINE is an emulator

So, Wine Is Not (an) Emulator (WINE) is an emulator? Okay, pal.

It's a compatibility layer, you stupid fuck.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Bidwell
agreed

so, why isnt' there one yet?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Dreamworx
implying 90% of the computer base are morons.

Wow, you must be lex luthor

RumChicken
RumChicken

@idontknow
I am using mint as we speak. But I am also a network engineer. You know. I get paid to do this shit.
But my main computer at home for leisure is win7.
end of story.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BlogWobbles
i really hope, for your sake, that you're not serious right now

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Photoshop.
Some games that doesn't work on linux.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@DeathDog
Even the wiki notes that its not an emulator.
The phrase "wine is not an emulator" is a reference to the fact that no processor code execution emulation occurs when running a Windows application under Wine. "Emulation" usually refers to the execution of compiled code intended for one processor (such asx86) by interpreting/recompiling software running on a different processor (such asPowerPC). Such emulation is almost always much slower than execution of the same code by the processor for which the code was compiled. In Wine, the Windows application's compiled x86 code runs at full native speed on the computer's x86 processor, just as it does when running under Windows. Windows system services are also supplied by Wine, in the form of wineserver

Skullbone
Skullbone

@RumChicken
Okay, if you want to take Microsoft's dick at home, that's fine. Completely up to you. I'm still going to try to get people to switch and continue to educate them.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TreeEater

Why haven't you moved to Linux yet?

because its shit

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker
I lol'd more than I should at that pic. The /tech/ experience in a nutshell.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CouchChiller
agreed

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

openSUSE
for once OP was not a faggot

@ZeroReborn
Condolences as a fellow longtime Photoshop user. I use Krita for digital painting and have managed to get Photoshop running quite flawlessly in Wine.

This was the guide I used:
https://petermolnar.eu/photoshop-cs5-under-linux/

farquit
farquit

because linux have shitty, not fully working not optimized drivers, especially gpu drivers, shitty written "alternative" programs that cant compete with windows programs. And no wine isnt an answer. Most of the programs with wine have issues. You cant play decent games with linux. If I woulnt be working in the IT field and be just a regular user. I dont fucking need no command lines, fucking compiling? can you just program a user friendly program that you can install FAST with few clicks. IT is all bout making things faster and easier for people and linux isnt doing it. Regular user dont give a shit about compiling and tweaking, commands etc. btw im using linux right now, but only because windows have backdoors and i dont feel like gaming

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@farquit
I'm sorry you're too fucking stupid to use your own OS. Kill yourself, it'll make the world a better place

massdebater
massdebater

Linux>>OS X>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows

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