Libertarian island state thread

Skullbone
Skullbone

what would your main source of power be for your libertarian island state? i'm starting to think that getting power from the tides could be the most efficient.

Evilember
Evilember

Getting power from the tides is just a cool idea because it's basically moon-powered.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Tides & Wind would be the best in almost every island scenario.
Wind is an easy one, you are at the water, wind flows in and out from land regularly.
Tides also cause some wind, which on a smallish island would mean loads of calm but persistent winds. (small-scale wind farms would be best here, not massive ones)
Tides will also be regular, and on an island scale, could be put pretty much around the whole island.

Solar if you are around the equatorial regions.
If you have some shallow waters, in addition to the tide generators, you could build platforms above them to hold solar panels.
Keeps them away from the land.

If it has a volcano, geothermal could provide you with some energy and possibly even prevent the volcano erupting if you remove enough heat from it quickly enough. (a scenario suggested to prevent Yellowstone erupting, but the park won't allow it, fucking retards)
Although geo is a very hard one to do, and equally on a volcano is very hard.

Biofuels.
Islands in general were mostly created from volcanic flows, unless it is around shallow waters, in which case it was old mountains and hills that are now below water because the polar caps have been melting since the last ice age.
Volcanic land is stupidly fertile for growing.
Would make good fuel-growing land.
But I would rather not go near this at all since limited land space will equally limit your population.
Digging out shallow waters could help expand the islands size, on that general theme. But then you won't be able to have nice cosy water shacks.

Evilember
Evilember

I'm curious, are we suggesting that each citizen/family would own a personal power supply method for their property, or would corporations provide power?

Either way, nuclear is probably the most space efficient method plus water for cooling would be easily accessible

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

One that's easily monopolized.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Evilember
It would be like in 21 Balloons.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Need_TLC
There is no power source in major use which is easily monopolized. Sorry /leftypol/. Even the oil companies had a huge bitch of a time gaining fractured partial control of various regions.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Lunatick
In this hypothetical island it could be possible that one company could take total control. If the island was small enough that is

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@PackManBrainlure
No it couldn't. Name your power source.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Garbage Can Lid
I understand that it is completely impossible in the real world. but in this "magical libratarian island" a monopoly could exist if it was truly isolated and had only one source of power.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm
Name the power source.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Firespawn
Your own solar panels on your own roof, you would counter any monopole if you produce your own energy.
Sorry /leftypol/ you can't have a monopolist in the energy sector anymore.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@GoogleCat
Hence why I was arguing it was impossible, you moron.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@PackManBrainlure
@Sharpcharm

tbf if it was small enough for one company to control everything it would be small enough for people to just do shit locally

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Evil_kitten
That's true, I hadn't considered that.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

power to the people

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

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Skullbone
Skullbone

@Lunatick
There is no power source in major use which is easily monopolized.
Distribution can certainly be monopolised though. Whoever owns the roads has the final say on who can run cables under (or over) them. Good luck getting power to your building against the wishes of the road company.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Yeah I'd go Anarchocommunist personally but probably tides or wind.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Garbage Can Lid
I hate people like this. Go away you no imagination having loser.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

nuclear. preferably a thorium reactor

hairygrape
hairygrape

but why would a libertarian island have an energy solution
common rights and agreement
set it up so that when you buy in on property part of the expense goes to funding for energy and establishment for shares of a common property (organized similarly to a CIC)
no guns to force you to pay in, just the private owner of the island working it in to your share of land should you openly choose to buy in, and even giving you a kickback for the trouble
under a mutual ownership (not one crazy rich dude but several moderately wealthy dudes) this could instead be put forth as an open buy-in with immediate funding for establishing civilization and structure on the island
still no guns enforcing it, and mutual interest rather than profiteering.

@Skullbone
whoever owns the roads
this goes as far as the edge of the properties and buyouts of road sections could be organized
throw enough money at a troublemaker that it is worth more to them than the trouble they caused and they go away
alternatively, the libertarian solution would be to refuse the 'road company' service, access, and resources, similarly to how they refused you service, access, and resources in their "final say". when they have to choose between comfortable survival and their monopoly, it gets pretty rough to keep on the monopoly, independent and conflicting roadsystems are made on non-monopolized land, cables are strung far above between private properties rather than below.

Methshot
Methshot

@hairygrape
also the glaringly obvious fact that a 'private road company' would have to be mutually funded by many citizens or even almost every citizen who wants to drive, so there would be not mean nasty evil 'road company', unlike the state.
other than toll roads, unlikely on a small island, there is no true benefit to road and infrastructure. however, as people do indeed like to drive and might have cars shipped over for use and purchase, there's reason to believe people will organize despite that.
natural order in a stateless society can occur, I feel certain even as I feel wary because it's one of the few things that "hasn't been tried" in millennium of lord-kings and godheads

RumChicken
RumChicken

mfw the first issue brought up by the creator of a "libertarian island state" is the creation of a municipal power utility

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@eGremlin
third reply
nailed it
I shouldn't even click on threads with more than 1 reply, they make me feel completely inadequate.

likme
likme

crabs

askme
askme

hydro, powered by wind. turbines direct drive (no electricity) water to a height, falling water drives turbine.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Libertarian, or """libertarian"""?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Firespawn
first pic
muh cherrypicking

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

If you are founding a nation without significant financial backing you are going to be reliant on fossil fuels for a couple of decades while you build an economy capable of supporting higher outlay generation.
The end goal of all nations should be 4th / 5th generation nuclear.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Skullbone
All power flows from the barrel of a gun. You fucking libtard.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Harmless_Venom
without significant financial backing
In my fantasy I do. But regardless…
@Harmless_Venom
The end goal of all nations should be 4th / 5th generation nuclear.
You don't think that's setting the standard sort of low? In my libertarian island-state scenarios I assume that there's no indigenous people to worry about. With land it's a blank slate and it seems to me things could progress quickly. Seems like you could start attracting some high value-added manufacturers and financial institutions fairly quickly, and do a crowd-funding type thing for a new stock exchange or other infrastructure.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I would use a form of power generator that uses counter-rotating magnetic hydraulic containers of liquid mercury, crystal microchips, hydrogen-helium fusion, and a form of sentient self-aware higher dimensional consciousness that has yet to be invented and discovered scientifically, all hosted inside an aether vacuum underground facility, with anteair antegravity pulse defenses, and long mechanical tentacles to bring volenteers inside for 'testing'

But I would also keep a crab with scissors for claws to protect it from the US govt. because those sweaty slippery bastards are shady AS
FUCK

StonedTime
StonedTime

Reversed, this shit comes right out of a nightmare.

eGremlin
eGremlin

kryptonite

likme
likme

@Illusionz
Are you fucking retarded?
I mean really
Are you fucking retarded?
Don't respond if you can't read the thread you worthless nigger. I have no imagination because I'm challenging the notion that any power source can and must be monopolized? Will you please fucking kill yourself for being this stupid?

@Firespawn
Firstly, Rand wasn't actually a libertarian. Secondly, read her body of work before shilling. I bet you don't even get paid for that.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Firespawn
muh Ayn Rand be bad meme, I heard it on The Daily Show

Hit your head with a hammer, it will improve you.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

this @likme
most of you are just running on memes

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Skullbone
I don't care Kennedi loves Karl Marx, I would just kiss her feet and tell her I was a stupid goy man.

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