Old chans

viagrandad
viagrandad

Were image boards ever really "good" or is that just a lie oldfags made up to feel superior? I tried looking into archives from 4chan in 2002-2006, so far the only difference I can tell is the reposted memes were different and nobody deleted the cp.

All urls found in this thread:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060709055747/http://kei.iichan.net/b/wakaba.html
http://acko.net/blog/occupy-www-street-en/
kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

It's a common bias that people have that turns old memories into good memories because somehow the brain only remembers nice moments.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@viagrandad
4Chan being up for 13 years was a mistake obviously. I mean why else would people go to image boards? Dank memeS, freedom of speech, anime? I DON'T GET IT.Seriously I don't even know! I just came here because everyone else came here/someone told me to! Image boards would never last. :^)

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@viagrandad
archives from 4chan in 2002-2006

Where?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TalkBomber
i would like to know this too.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It's probably got a degree of "you had to be there"ness to it. For a microcosmic example, I could tell you all about how much better read: I enjoyed it more infinichan was prior to the exodus. I couldn't properly lay out why it's better than now, because superficially, as you said, it's nearly the same as it ws.

King_Martha
King_Martha

No one said they were good you retarded piece of shit, we just said you fucking suck because you do. Imageboards were never "good" nor were they meant to be "good", and the admins who thought they could enforce "quality", moot included, were fucking retarded. The only virtue of an imageboard is variety, and all of you reductionist faggots are fatal to it. "They say I'm bad so they must think it was good", fuck off.

Inmate
Inmate

Where are the archives op you lying piece of dog crap?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@viagrandad
I wouldn't call it a lie, it's more of a bias. Everything was so fresh, first large gets felt like something really special because of the novelty. Memes weren't recognized by that name, they were just contagious things people did for fun as the anonymous hivemind began to take form.
What I mostly miss from back then is that things didn't move as fast and the posters acted more randomly because all the expectations of behavior we have today had not been so firmly established. Similar environment repeats every so often when a new chan gets big.

But just as you said, it's still mostly the same, just a bit different.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Inmate
you lying piece of dog crap
the big difference is that it was novel, or new in the early days. it was daring. we were able to push the limits of conventional discourse. nigger was still funny, aids was a new device, hitler wasn't a meme. gas the kikes made me spill my beer, but no-longer.
you are chasing shadows

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Emberfire
Hand me the archives.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Skullbone
Everything was so fresh,
this. the whole post. you must be the aspirant greybeard here. will you take over so I can die now, please?
quads oblige

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Firespawn
Hand me the archives.
Would a spare chromosome help, bro?
You have at ur fingertips the near sum-total of human knowledge, updated in rltm. I'm too old to help.
who is google?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StrangeWizard
I was looking for some help from you because apparently you have a site with webpages from 4chan 2002 which is complete horse shit.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stark_Naked
He's probably using the Wayback Machine.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Stark_Naked
Although he couldn't possibly fetch 4chan pages from 2002 since the site didn't exist yet.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Raving_Cute
The only pre-'07 Leeky Forums you are getting on wayback is https://web.archive.org/web/20060709055747/http://kei.iichan.net/b/wakaba.html

Emberfire
Emberfire

The Leeky Forums always was a pile of shit.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Stark_Naked
apparently you have a site with webpages
no i don't and i never pretended to have one. 4chan had no archive.
Also, I've grown up since then.
@Lord_Tryzalot
bravo

FastChef
FastChef

The difference between imageboards then and imageboards now: post-rate and moderation.

Back in the old days of 4chan, nazi moderation was in full effect thanks to Snacks.
He was the only one of worth on that site that banned the shit out of people repeatedly for stepping out of line.

The only one to stand up to moot and tell him to fuck off when he wanted to trial invisible moderation and forced user on Leeky Forums, due to Shiis (menchis) demands to turn it in to his little weeaboo 2chink site. (should have stayed on world2ch, you fucking legit weeb)

Equally, most users were in trip or name. They came from fucking SA, IRC and Raspberry Heaven, 90% of the sites users never gave a flying fuck about Anonymity.
The only people that cared about Anonymity were FYAD raid-kiddies and menchi.
And even then, if people did post without a name, NOBODY, ABSOLUTELY NOBODY, shit on them for it.
The only drama about identity was when people started to use secure trips by default because they were actual attention-whores (and they were regularly banned)
Back then, trip-cracking used to be a fun thing.

People also had patience since it could take a day or more for your threads to even get replies, there was no hurry to reply, no hurry to draw or make up some shit quality OC. You could take your time.
This has been proven constantly any time 4chan DNS died post-2006 because the quality of the site improved dramatically because the small number of people smart enough to have manual DNS entries were the only posters.

On that part, most users weren't legit fucking tubes, actual statistical retards, they were mostly intelligent people.
People in college or high-grades in secondary school (high-school)
Post-2010, the majority of 4chan users are retarded children on /a/, Leeky Forums, /v/ and a few others.

This is why imageboards now are mostly shit.
There are loads of little niche imageboards, but these days, they are called "deadchans" by impatient generation of channers.
I guess that is a good thing, at least they won't shit up the place.

source: i'm an archivist from Wakaba and have been around IBs since they came to the west.

SovietRussia is and always will be the only good imageboard that remained good for more than 6 years straight.
SR had a /z/ board (fully 100% user editable) and not ONCE did CP or malware get embedded in the page, or screamers, or anything nasty at all.
Then it got CP-spammed and killed. SR never bothered bringing it back since he was tired of maintaining the site. RIP in piss.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@FastChef
This guy

takes2long
takes2long

@kizzmybutt
It's called positivity bias. It's kinda interesting.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Everyone has a different idea of what good means. Some people think it means when everyone was nice before all the new fags, whereas others link it to epic lulz and drama. I'm a lulzdramafag myself.

I think chans were at their best when 4chan was raiding everywhere else and gaining notoriety. Some people say that after the Fox News 4chan reports, all the cancer came in, and that may be true, but I think that's just a double edged sword; that was also the high water mark of the site, when it was notorious enough to be mysterious and dangerous seeming, but not popular enough to seem like a mundane shitpost factory. I would say that 2007 was the peak of the chan wave just before it crashed. Just when chans gained notoriety for attacking the outside world, but just before that turned into a fame that attracted every 13 year old.

99% of anything that happens on a chan involves garbage meme posting and porn posting. When people look back, what they actually remember is the lulz and drama. When people look back at Leeky Forums, what they'll remember is the baphomet saga of doxing SJWs and then Benji going on the run, things like that. 4chan build up a history of drama and lulz over a long time.

The basic formula for making a chan great is that it needs an enemy. Early in Leeky Forums we had both the SJWs and the 4chan moderators we were escaping from, but that was actually our death knell in disguise. When Gamergate ran out of steam and became niGGergate, and we settled into our home away from 4chan mods, there was no outside pressure to rebel against. We had no enemies, and more and more technical problems, so we just gradually ground to a hold. It's like a thermodynamic system; without drama and attack, you don't feel the rush of being on the edge of what's acceptable with your weirdo k'amraden.

A lot of the fun back on 4chan was generated by the users against each other, anons as a group against the mods, and 4chan as a whole against the NORPs. It was like that old Arab proverb you might have heard.

To /intl/'s credit, whether they realized it or not, they managed to create some friction and fun again by targeting HW as the enemy. Only problem was that HW was no replacement for m00t as a nemesis, since he faded into the background and stopped interacting us. m00t did stuff like deleting /n/. On reflection, most of the reason 4chan /pol/ was great was because m00t hated it and kept trying to trash it. Then that final time we all came here? Why did we do that? I guess we got caught up in the whole culture war "internet rebellion" of niGGers.

So now, we are trapped on this dying site, and the worst part is that nobody cares. There isn't even anyone around to shake our fist at.

We could go back to 4chan and shake our fists at whatever tyrannical nonsense Hiroyuki is 100% guaranteed to pull down the line, but 4chan already got infiltrated by too many normies. The line between chans and reddit is already blurred. The banning of raids on there softened the enmity and broke down the cultural barriers leading to "enrichment".

Becoming notorious was what made us great, but it's also what pacified us. Yet without drama, we just wither on the vine. 4chan and Leeky Forums are like two opposite kinds of failure.

The only way to break out of that is to start again on a site that works and build up users from the beginning through a core of users. We need to bring raid culture back again, and we need to attack and hate other sites in order to create energy. It doesn't even matter why. If there was one difference between chan users then and now it's that we've become too cynical, and post-ironic, and unwilling to just act. It's a shame "for the lulz" sounds cringey now, because it had an actual meaning. It was pretty much the chan worldview.

We tried creating energy through a cause like niGGers, but that always peters out or gets diverted away and sanitized like with Chanology. We need to define ourselves as an underground, not through an exterior ideology that can be co-opted, but simply for the sake of pure enjoyment itself.

If we can't do that then we will continue to fall deep into this pit of depression and failure, and the people with facebook accounts and jobs will win.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Raving_Cute

You bumped a 4 day old stale bread

I hope you contract ebola from an african rapist

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@MPmaster

Catalog is fucked up for me.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@MPmaster
a thread survived for 4 days?
what've Leeky Forums became…

Techpill
Techpill

4chan was also better because it had a proper mascot and manga series to boot, and at some point, people cared

Does 8ch have a proper weeaboo mascot?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@viagrandad
the internet not just 4chan has always been shit,even back to the days of bbs people were just a massive pile of dickheads.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Was it as right wing back then as it is now?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Original Leeky Forums and original 4chan were the only good chans. All other chans are failed spinoffs and trash.

WebTool
WebTool

@BinaryMan
7chan 420chan and 711chan did accomplish shit too.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@WebTool
None of those accomplished shit except for one time in their short life span.

Besides, almost nobody knows what they are.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@StonedTime
Politics felt like it was mostly played for laughs, there were regular nazi threads for disco hitler gifs and communism threads with cute anime girls. I love hitlerposting and the current wealth of material for it is absolutely hilarious, but also can't help but feel like it has now lost a certain touch of irony.
It's hard to tell really, it definitely felt genuinely right-wing at times, but since everything was also constantly a joke of some sort nobody knows for sure.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Lord_Tryzalot
5 Days now

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
There's one thread that lasted 2 months and 3 days, and it's still going

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Raving_Cute
Sorry, I meant 1 month and 25 days

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Crazy_Nice
@Raving_Cute

People don't use Leeky Forums much huh?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

/rebuild_thread

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@viagrandad

I've been on a number of big regional and global imageboards over many years, the answer is both obvious (to me, at least) and hard to formulate at the same time. So, some random point about old times:

— Normalfags were scared away instead of being attracted. Slang, inside jokes, technical problems (that caused never-ending stream of jokes about protecting admin's keyboard from his cat and his mom, petitions to uninstall Crysis from server, petitions to bring back server that can run Crysis because running everything on home router is way slower, etc.). Only those who saw the light joined.
— People lurked a lot before posting.
— People were told to lurk more instead of being told to return to somewhere else because it was obvious that people from somewhere else were too dumb to come to imageboards on their own.
— People were eager to post something on the same level they've seen and enjoyed.
— People actually understood it's impossible to offend anonymous poster on the internet, and used harsh words to make a point, not to cover for the lack of it. That's something that has gone completely. Now everyone behaves as if everyone else is committed to make his imageboard visit good and cares about his virtual feelings as much as he does on his social network accounts.
— People were actually concerned about potential influx of stupid newfags from the outside (more on this later). Every mention of imageboard name in media or as an outcome of some minor raid (ah, those were times when even the fattest greasiest troll could generate fireworks of fun) started that discussion. Gore & CP wipes were actually considered a tool to cleanse Leeky Forums by some. The idea that every newfag becomes and oldfag after a certain time would be attributed to imbecile, and, indeed, belongs to barbarian hordes of later years.
— Those who used imageboard slang outside (poor attention-hungry blogger who wants to look hip and ride the latest internet trends kind of personality) looked like total dorks. First of such detected cases even caused threads and raids.
Memes were quick to flourish and quick to dissipate before becoming stale plucking on the same note. Some were forgotten, some remained connected to a single topic, some became meta-memes. Think about process of creation of thousands of Pepe shoops that flows straight into self-ironic reports on Pepe market crash without that part where every stupid cunt who registered in Twitter because the application was pre-installed on the mobile phone posts sad frog.
— Self irony and lack of seriousness about everything was universal. Leeky Forums was never good is self-ironic on many levels, a wonder why anyone can consider the shithole of internet filled with basement dwellers good, a caution not to put specific choices on a pedestal, and a shared secret knowledge that it actually can be good. That phrase was never a straightforward consensus nor some kind of rule, no matter what explanations for dummies have you read.
— Finally, none of this had to be explained to anyone. Average anonymous had lots of internet experience and knew how and why imageboards are different from the casual communities. Trust worked so well that Facebook-tier posts were clearly understood as sarcasm (or ignored as irrelevant). That set the high bar for discussions. How do you expect someone who haven't used internet before smartphones to make posts just as valuable?

Eventually, it ended everywhere. Sometimes, the hit of popularity was so hard and noticeable you couldn't believe it was the same board on which you anxiously refreshed the threads just a month ago. Modern imageboards were chewed, digested, turned to shit, and then chewed again multiple times, no wonder new oldfags swear they don't see any difference between some point in the past and now. It's a chain of blind men guided by other blind men.

Also, when people asked what to do about newfag invasion, there were wise replies that there's nothing anyone can do and death is inevitable (this happened to be true), and even wiser replies that you wouldn't even have to register on any other website to troll (this also happened to be true). See, now there's /pol/ where you can post any crazy shit you came up with and hordes of special people will support you and make sure most famous (and clueless) media will write about it.

Tangentially relevant link with a bit of praise to imageboards: http://acko.net/blog/occupy-www-street-en/

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

/rebuild_thread_again

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker

Also, while most imageboards were created by existing groups of people with certain image in mind, they bloomed when Anonymous was let to run wild (sometimes in conflict with creators' wishes). Circlejerk chans remained circlejerk chans.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Were there as many people with symptoms of autism as there are today?

King_Martha
King_Martha

12chan when it was on clearnet was the best chan

takes2long
takes2long

@StrangeWizard
le independent smoking face… sage

Bidwell
Bidwell

@King_Martha
your just saying that because cp wasn't deleted you fag

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Bidwell
I don't even see what you're implying here, but okay.

I liked it when it was on clearnet because of the era it existed. The deepweb 12chan is just a knockoff and doesn't even have the same admin or mods.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TalkBomber
the promise of cp awaits

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Skullbone
Nice quads

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Raving_Cute
They blocked robots.txt

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