So what did Josef Mengele really? Can't say I've ever seen a thread on Leeky Forums...

farquit
farquit

So what did Josef Mengele really? Can't say I've ever seen a thread on Leeky Forums discuss so thought I'd make a thread on it.

All urls found in this thread:
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2013/volume_5/number_4/dr_mengeles_medical_experiments_on_twins.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/americas/25brazil.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Grade,_Baron_Grade
https://youtu.be/2b-nWt_OmJk
http://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2011/03/solucao-de-misterio-de-cidade-dos-gemeos-no-rs-e-destaque-no-nyt.html
https://archive.is/O2n4v
idontknow
idontknow

I don't know, what did Josef Mengele really?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
really do* oh fug :DDD

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@farquit
He did nothing wrong.
Please do me a favor and let me know if you ever find a Jew who wasn't experimented on by Dr. Mengele.

Dr. Mengele's “Medical Experiments” on Twins in the Birkenau Gypsy Camp
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2013/volume_5/number_4/dr_mengeles_medical_experiments_on_twins.php

w8t4u
w8t4u

He was a scientist working for the nazis who specialized in live human experimentation. He had an obsession with twins and wanted to see if they were psychically linked. Very few of the people he experimented on survived.

Really nothing else to it. I'm sure someone has a long winded tale about subterranean lizard people and a plot of global bankers to eradicate all white people through the use of concentrated beam of ozone, and it's a far more entertaining one to be sure.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@farquit

He and his two Jewish assistants were working on a cure for Tay-Sachs.

5mileys
5mileys

@w8t4u

kek, there's zero documentation of these "experiments" just like there's no paper trail of millions of kikes being shipped from all over Europe to only six camps in Poland to be "exterminated" in de-lousing chambers.

Mengele was a physician stationed to certain camps and contributed to treated inmates as well as likely performed research in some capacity to prevent the mounting deathtolls. But the grotesque accusations like sewing people together are always alleged entirely without basis or evidence.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

He did God's Good Work, discovering (or opening the door many discoveries) many previously unknown facts concerning medicine, genetics and the human psyche.

Many of these discoveries were previously impossible to achieve, due to the ethics of it. Putting a person in an ice bath for hours at a time just to see how hypothermia and frostbite progress, and how to treat them, was generally rightfully considered unethical.

But where Mengele stands above the rest is that he finally acknowledged that 1) certain people, while biologically human, were still inferior to others, and 2) because of this, their suffering could and should be considered an acceptable price to pay for the great advancements that would be achieved from their suffering.

Essentially, he cracked a few rotten eggs and made a wonderful omelette.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Who knows? His diary is in the hands of some ulta-orthodox jew who refuses to let anyone see inside, and camp testimonies aren't exactly known to be reliable.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

He might have done some fucked up things but we'll never know due to all the false testimonies from holocaust "survivors".

massdebater
massdebater

He might have done some fucked up things but we'll never know due to all the false testimonies from holocaust "survivors".

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
@massdebater
Whatever. Fucking site.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@5mileys
his work is very well documented, he has a paper trail that going back to his college days at the university of munich.

I usually see people post the picture of the well fed kids as proof that the holocaust was a hoax but that picture is actually of the kids that served as his research specimens. They're well fed because emaciated and near-death kids don't exactly make for accurate test results.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

tfw when he came to brazil and the city where he lived and died had and still have a twin birth rate explosion

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I don't agree with the ethics of his methodology but like Shiro Ishii, he did significantly advance some areas of medicine.

farquit
farquit

@AwesomeTucker
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/americas/25brazil.html

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
he was a magic man because somehow he managed to experiment on every single holocaust survivor alive

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

when you get to post it

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@farquit
The Holocaust depends highly disproportionately on eyewitness evidence and "survivors", unlike normal prosecutions that depend on a robust combination of circumstantial, eyewitness, and physical evidence to be credible. Nearly every single eyewitness and "survivor" claims to have been visited by Mengele at some point, which numbers in the tens of thousands. This immediately makes their accounts dubious, if you have ever waited in an emergency room, you know that a single physician cannot even see a few dozen people in a night, and they are constantly crowded. The idea that a doctor could see nearly everyone at a dozen different camps each hundreds of miles apart and still have time to do time-intensive mad science experiments is ludicrous. There is no paper trail documenting his experiments, only eyewitnesses, so while exactly what he did is still ambiguous since there is no documentation and he fled to argentina, the eyewitness accounts are dubious to say the very least.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@LuckyDusty
those jews really have terrifying fetishes

Evilember
Evilember

@Deadlyinx
You have no idea.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@BinaryMan

Post a link to one of his studies

@Ignoramus

this guy's link DOES contain documents of Mengele's research but it was innocuous things like measuring people's anatomy.

There is zero evidence for the outrageous, unethical experiments that you are claiming.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BinaryMan
This is by far the most blatant JIDF post I have seen in a while.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BinaryMan
…and Abraham Bomba ran a barber shop in the gas chamber at Treblinka…

Nojokur
Nojokur

What about the video of that jew in a pressure chamber with part of his skull removed? If that was a lie I'm going to go full Himmler if I ever get the chance.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@SomethingNew
Bear and Eagle cooperation

That pic is fucking classic. Haven't seen it since cuck Leeky Forums.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@eGremlin
There's a giant clue in this, at about 1:30 he starts talking about being "selected" to be a barber and him "selecting" other barbers.

SELECTION was deciding what job they were going to do, not "who was going to the gas chamber" bullshit.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Ignoramus
Laughed so hard I nearly blew out my asshole.

OP nobody knows. He's just a boogeyman that they use to scare the children. If the jews lied about Hitler they probably lied about everything else.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Mengeler did nothing wrong

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BinaryMan
post a link nigger

farquit
farquit

There's not going to be any earth-shattering info come up in this thread, because there is none. Everyone drop holohoax redpills.

Here's Elie Wiesel BTFOing himself on the "death marches", in his own book, Night:

SniperWish
SniperWish

@BinaryMan
has a paper trail that going back to his college days
Then I'm sure you'll have no problems posting some of these papers, would you? :^)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@w8t4u
This.

You fucking nazi scum are terrible people. How could you doubt such horrible stories like this:

"Before the experiments began, Mengele came and tattooed my number personally. They put us in freezing baths, smeared chemicals on our skin, but it was the needles we were most afraid of. After the first 150 injections I stopped counting … One morning in July 1944 I spotted my mother among a long line of women moving toward the gas chamber. Mengele called me in and gave me an errand to the crematorium. He knew I would see my mother go to her death. A couple of days later he asked me if I still believed in God."

A surviving Mengele twin, Moshe Offer, later recalled the death of his brother:

"Dr. Mengele had always been more interested in Tibi. I am not sure why - perhaps because he was the older twin. Mengele made several operations on Tibi. One surgery on his spine left my brother paralyzed. He could not walk anymore. Then they took out his sexual organs. After the fourth operation, I did not see Tibi anymore. I cannot tell you how I felt. It is impossible to put into words how I felt. They had taken away my father, my mother, my two older brothers - and now, my twin …"

As surviving Mengele victim Alex Dekel later stated:

"Mengele ran a butcher shop - major surgeries were performed without anesthesia. Once, I witnessed a stomach operation - Mengele was removing pieces from the stomach, but without any anesthetic. Another time, it was a heart that was removed, again, without anesthesia. It was horrifying. Mengele was a doctor who became mad because of the power he was given. Nobody ever questioned him - why did this one die? Why did that one perish? The patients did not count. He professed to do what he did in the name of science, but it was a madness on his part …"

This is Gisela Perl's horrifying account of an incident when Josef Mengele caught a woman in her sixth attempt to escape from a truck transporting victims to the gas chamber:

"He grabbed her by the neck and proceeded to beat her head to a bloody pulp. He hit her, slapped her, boxed her, always her head - screaming at the top of his voice, 'You want to escape, don’t you. You can’t escape now. You are going to burn like the others, you are going to croak, you dirty Jew.'

As I watched, I saw her two beautiful, intelligent eyes disappear under a layer of blood. And in a few seconds, her straight, pointed nose was a flat, broken, bleeding mass. Half an hour later, Dr. Mengele returned to the hospital. He took a piece of perfumed soap out of his bag and, whistling gaily with a smile of deep satisfaction on his face, he began to wash his hands …"

Pure evil.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@AwesomeTucker
yes those were absolutely believeable

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
This reads like a fanfic.

takes2long
takes2long

@Spazyfool
Ah yes, this fucking lying bitch.

says her tattoo was removed by mengele
additionally made up another story about shitting diamonds

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Raving_Cute
Well that's what it is.

Techpill
Techpill

@AwesomeTucker
These Germans are goddamned animals! Complete and utter savages!

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SomethingNew
@King_Martha
Bear and Eagle
USSR and USA?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@farquit

If the Jews want to be experimented on, like they say they were, then let's start changing the laws to make Jew live dissections mandatory.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StrangeWizard
Who ravaged Germany

idontknow
idontknow

I hear Jews have black hearts.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Spazyfool
Live dissections are vivisections.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@MPmaster
Is he being metaphorical or did that actually happen?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Everything spewed out of the kikes mouth about the "atrocities" of the holocaust are born of their own sick minds, if you want a glimpse of what the world will look like ruled by kikes, just look at the horror stories they have cooked up, they will unleash it all on their enemies, they are schadenfreude incarnate.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@BinaryMan
Prove it

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Raving_Cute
Someone really ought to make a Josef Mengele tumblr. Just fill it with accounts you make up yourself but act like they're all 1000% real.

See how long it takes before the salt starts rolling in.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@AwesomeTucker
her straight, pointed nose
This is how I know it's bullshit.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@farquit
Not only @AwesomeTucker
, but he also is believed to have succesfully cloned the first human.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Ignoramus
What the hell man, what's even the point of creating a site for discussing (sometimes taboo) topics when there is no true free speech? I finally get now why normies feel so attracted to halfchan and other edgy sites.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BinaryMan
Fuck off JIDF, proof it or you've confirmed that you're a jewish shill

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Speaking of things believed without evidence. Is there evidence of EBUL NAZIS euthanizing gays and the mentally and physically disabled and so on as the stories always claimed.
I assume as with everything heard about baby eating nazis it is false propaganda.

Also, any evidence for the story of the German broadcast of the Max Schmeling vs Joe Louis bout was cut off before the fight ended."
It stinks of bullshit like Hitler's supposed snub of Owens. DENIED BY OWENS but hilariously still believed by many.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@farquit
I wonder if being very inbred (if they were) makes for r-selected epigenetics, leading to more twins?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

The kikes have changed the narrative. First they tried to roll with extreme shit. Literally accusations of mengele and other ss upholstering furniture out of jew skin. Then they dialed that back, because it was a lie, to the mad doctor narrative. Which of course falls apart when you look at the numbers. That in a few camps the killed millions more than all of the allied losses in the entire war. Typical bullshit. They are still pissed they got eichman but lost the real prize. Paraguay was god tier country, never forget.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Ignoramus
I'm not even a tenth of the way through this thing and it's an interesting read.

iluvmen
iluvmen

fucking kikes

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Evilember
@hairygrape
@massdebater
@SomethingNew
@LuckyDusty
mfw I bought into this shit as a kid
mfw adults buy into this shit now

Firespawn
Firespawn

@BinaryMan
@w8t4u

makes huge claims
doesn't bother with sources or evidence of any kind

You cuck faggots are so silly. How you still believe that nonsense in current year is beyond me.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@idontknow
I don't know, what did Josef Mengele really?
He did the whole thing.

girlDog
girlDog

Lots of fucked up shit. Mengele is a byword for cruelty.

TreeEater
TreeEater

So, from what I gather, yes this was a case of an evil Nazi.
Though the result was a net positive for medical knowledge, the methods were beyond speaking. Kind of like the Japanese conquest in mainland Asia and to its prisoners of war in the pacific we'll never really know just how badly they treated people, but we know it was bad.

Good to know some things I grew up with aren't total hogwash.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TreeEater
So, from what I gather, yes this was a case of an evil Nazi

'no'

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
My response to the question of whether or not Mengele was evil and experimented on prisoners is about the same as the one I start to give to people after a while of trying to, unsuccessfully, convince them that the holocaust was a hoax.
"Fine, it's true. But who cares? they were Jews"

SniperWish
SniperWish

@AwesomeTucker
What part of this gives you the impression that it's all fake? It sounds extreme but if it's an experiment for some reason, it'd make sense that they'd do something abnormal.

The only thing that really triggers me is the Perl story.
"you are going to croak, you dirty Jew."
"I saw her two beautiful, intelligent eyes disappear under a layer of blood"
"whistling gaily with a smile on of deep satisfaction on his face"
I feel that it tries too hard to be evocative. It reminds me of the kind of stuff I wrote back in High School for literature. It also paints Mengele in an almost cartoonishly evil light. It's hard to take seriously. Then again, if you listen to what veterans who fought in vietnam have to say about the war, they'll tell you about how they felt like cartoonish supermen, jumping out of helicopters, gunning down fleeing gooks, etc. It's possible that they too have embellished the events but nonetheless, it is somewhat realistic that they did actually do some of these things. What gives you the impression that all the stories are fake though?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@DeathDog
That movie, (Boys from Brazil) it has to be one of the great comedies of the 20th century. I was laughing my ass off watching it. Not only are the nazi characters complete stereotypes, but the jewish history they shove in complete bullshit.

For example, there is a scene in the movie, where the jewish guy tells a journalist how Mengele himself killed two million people in Auschwitz.

And the jewish characters, Steve Guttenberg playing a JIDF caricature, need I say more?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Nothing wrong.

@BinaryMan
I bet he forced seven railroad spikes into each of their heads every night.

w8t4u
w8t4u

He seemed to be a mediocre doctor that got a job because of his dedication to the Party. Angel of Death is made up bullshit.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Offer nutricion advice to Jewish children and deliver babies.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@DeathDog
@ZeroReborn
And the jewish characters, Steve Guttenberg playing a JIDF caricature, need I say more?

And so the mystery of how Steve Guttenberg became famous is solved. Boys From Brazil was the fourth project he did. Kinda like how Tom Hanks was just a 2nd rate comedian until he pushed the faggotry with Philadelphia.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@LuckyDusty
LMAO, here's who produced The Boys From Brazil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Grade,_Baron_Grade
Lew Grade, Baron Grade, O.St.J., KC*SS, Kt. (25 December 1906 – 13 December 1998), born Lovat[1] or Lev Winogradsky, was a Ukrainian-born British media proprietor and impresario.

iluvmen
iluvmen

There's not much too it. Just like the Holocaust it's either made up entirely or grossly exaggerated.

The shrunken heads shit is false
The lampshades is false
The soap thing is false
Stories about people surviving gaschambers multiple times is definitely false

Requesting pics about the holocaust and redpilling

StonedTime
StonedTime

I suspect he never got around doing much anything and is just another monster created aftet the war for propaganda purposes.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I don't have the timestamp, but at some point in this podcast (I think towards the end), the host mentions having had dinner with either someone who worked with Dr. Mengele, or someone who knew someone who worked with Dr. Mengele (I forget which). The bottom line is that he did nothing wrong.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@AwesomeTucker
he turned her into soap!

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Ignoramus
What OP and rebuttals were included in the link in pic related? Any archive of that?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@SniperWish
The thing is, with all the false testimonies floating around, we can never be entirely certain what actually happened.

This account, however, has a few things tipping it off
Gas chambers
Removing genitals, why?
Fanfic-tier evilness

Of course, maybe Mengele really was actually evil and what have you, but it just seems so unlikely and boogeyman-like. He claimed to do these things in the name of science, no? Surely they must be written down somewhere and we can verify what experiments were actually performed.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperWish
What gives you the impression that all the stories are fake though?

What's harder to believe?

A) There really were bears and eagles in cages ready to devour poor little jews. There were giant electric chairs and masturbation machines designed to kill jews. Millions of jews were gassed daily, but only in the camps that would wind up in soviet controlled territory for some reason. All the other camps were just detention centers like the US had. There really was an evil nazi doctor who performed sex changes and removed organs from living people and all this shit

OR

B) The 3rd Reich was like most governments and had detention centers for criminals and certain ethnic groups like the US did. The camps were just regular holding centers and nothing unusual happened at them.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BinaryMan
will you send me a link please?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@RavySnake
I was in that reddit forum thing for that kerfluffle, because some user here drew our attention to it.

I can't remember the specifics, but /pol/acks posted real rebuttals, not "gas the kikes" etc.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

To all the filthy kikes trying to flood this board with their disinfo

Here is the actual testimony given against Mengele at the trial, so ridiculous the claims even the judges presiding could hardly believe the chutzpah of the lying kike.

https://youtu.be/2b-nWt_OmJk

idontknow
idontknow

@AwesomeTucker
Oy vey ;^}

Evilember
Evilember

@LuckyDusty
I never saw philadelphia, but A League of their Own was where I thought he took off.

likme
likme

@AwesomeTucker

The city is called Cândido Godói.

http://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2011/03/solucao-de-misterio-de-cidade-dos-gemeos-no-rs-e-destaque-no-nyt.html

The presentation of a possible solution to the mystery of the 'city of the twins' gaucho is featured on Friday in the American newspaper The New York Times.

 Strengthening the international prominence that the issue has received by the world press, the report awaits the revelation of a study conducted to explain the high percentage of birth of twins in Candido Godoi (RS), a story that prompted various speculations.
know more
Gaucho City refusal title of 'land of the Mengele twins'

 Mystery increased when the Argentine journalist Jorge Camarasa, author of a biography of the Nazi geneticist Josef Mengele, suggested that the phenomenon could have been the result of experiments conducted by him during a supposed passage through the region in the 1960s.

 Residents also ask whether it is any substance in the water of the city, according to local legend reads.

 'A group of scientists now can discard these longstanding rumors. Ursula Matte a geneticist in Porto Alegre, said that a number of DNA tests conducted on 30 families from 2009 identified a specific gene in the population of Candido Godoi that appears most frequently in mothers of families with twins than in those without twins' writes the American newspaper.

 Researchers ruled out possible 'Mengele effect' in town

 'The phenomenon is reinforced by a high level of inbreeding among the population, made up almost entirely of German-speaking immigrants.'

 Details will be presented at a town hall event on Friday, after two years of research conducted by the Population National Institute of Medical Genetics of the Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul.

 The researcher was the first to scientifically record the phenomenon, particularly noticeable in the small San Pedro, a village of 350 inhabitants near Candido Godoi. Between 1990 and 1994, the percentage of twin births in São Pedro was 10%, compared to the national average of 1%.

 The research analyzed birth certificates 80 years ago and concluded that the twins phenomenon existed in the 1930s, before the supposed passage of Mengele the south of Brazil.

 Studies on local water showed no unusual substance.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@farquit
Holy shit that picture is retarded, I'd think that if you were going to try to "redpill" someone on Night you'd at least read it, it's only like 100 pages
Elie is leaving from a work camp in that part, so they wouldn't "exterminate" him. Elie and his father are both infirm, so they have the choice of being evacuated to another camp or being left behind.
It's not rocket science

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Garbage Can Lid
Russian scientists tried to breed apes with men. The CIA experimented with psionics, extensively. The Soviets cut off the head of a dog and attached it to a second dog and kept the creature alive for testing all the while. Japanese scientists unleashed rats on Chinese villages with the bubonic plague to study the effects of an outbreak.

Fuck, look up the Tuskegee Syphilis trials that were ongoing until the 70s. Scientists do amoral shit all the time and there's a reason they have to be kept on a tight leash.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Evil_kitten
Scientists do amoral shit all the time and there's a reason they have to be kept on a tight leash.
Fair enough, but, still none of that sounds as mind boggingly stupid as the shit mengele and nazis supposedly did, If anything I'm only willing to believe the twin stuff, and that's only with a pound of salt.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Booteefool
I don't believe everything said about him, but that doesn't mean the entire list of accusations is false.

I mean, a lot of the things Nazi scientists discovered are amazingly useful, especially for medicine, but they were discovered by bringing the human body to the brink of death or beyond. Soviet and American scientists did similar studies with radiation, though the Soviet experiments were more intentional and the American experiments occurred due to largely accidental exposure.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@iluvmen
not everything said about the holocaust is true
therefore the holocaust didn't happen
Great logic there bud

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@RavySnake

https://archive.is/O2n4v

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Spazyfool
The holocaust
Real
Implying
Filtered

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Illusionz
about 200k kikes did die, but the allies were at fault for that

Inmate
Inmate

I love Holocaust stories because they make me so excited. I need to find a jewish gf to abuse

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Spazyfool
concentration camps
a holocaust
Dumbass.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RumChicken
That's not "the Holocaust" though.

"Holocaust" refers to a large scale gassing and burning operation. That's just Jews dying. Of course Jews died.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Raving_Cute
It's an Allied fanfic, with much better design than your typical Tumblr creepypasta

Methshot
Methshot

@eGremlin
the 271,301 are dishonored everytime some faggot kike claims muh 6,000,000.

basically NSDAP fascist idealists who actually get to the evidence have the real story and i've studied this shit since 1995, still no evidence on Mengele. incalculable levels of disgrace from The Allies, ongoing to 1947.
people want to brag about Normandy and shit.

ZOG is a genocide machine and most of my people fucking aren't catching on or defending it blindly.

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