If all Jews are bad, tell me how Emil Maurice, a man of Jewish heritage, was able to become an early member of the Nazi party, founder of the SS, and paled around with the fuhrer?
For that matter, explain to me how come the third reich declared all Jews who fought for Germany in World War I to be honorary aryans?
we mostly hate Zionist globalist penis blood sucking Jews that subvert culture and governments with ZOG.
not all are bad just enough that it's better to exclude them as a rule than not. Would you trust a pitbull around your newborn? Exceptions can be made only under extreme scrutiny.
He wasn't a full time Jew.His great-grandfather was Jewish.
There was a Jewish doctor named Eduard Bloch who had helped Hitler's family out a lot, lowering his prices because they couldn't afford to pay him much and sometimes even helping them for free.
When Hitler rose to power he was really nice to Bloch and helped him move to the United States. Hitler nicknamed him "Edeljude" ("noble Jew").
So, I guess there are a few exceptions.
@TalkBomber
When Hitler rose to power he was really nice to Bloch and helped him move to the United States. Hitler nicknamed him "Edeljude" ("noble Jew").
Nigger wot?
Oy vey I was taugh in school that Hitler hated jews because he thought that it was a jewish doctor that had killed his mother.
@Spazyfool
There are exceptions to the rule, but the rule still remains. (Almost) all kikes will need to be killed on the day of the rope.
If you read Mein Kampf you can see that Uncle Adolf did not have a blind hatred of jews. Only to the international clique of them who behaved like kikes. If the choice it between ovening them all or continuing like this then I vote for the ovens.
@happy_sad
Would you trust a pitbull around your newborn?
This is actually a decent metaphor.
Jews may have a genetic predisposition towards psychopathy but that's not a universal, only a generalization.
@Methnerd
Uncle Churchill did not have a blind hatred of Germans. Only to the militaristic clique of them who chimped out and killed millions of Europeans in the two deadliest wars in human history within decades of each other. If the choice it between bombing them all or continuing like this then I vote for the bombs.
Why does your moral justification for genocide apply only to Jews?
@Spamalot
Yeah, that is not how it happend. That fat churchill faggot wanted war.
What this user said @SniperGod
@CouchChiller
sees that Germany is ramping up its military
everyone around him is too scared to acknowledge the situation and won't rearm the UK
Germany invades Poland
UK are allies with Poland
UK goes to war with Germany
HURRRRRR WARMONGER
You'll find that every "jew" who turns out to be pretty good usually actually isn't even a full blooded jew, it's usually a mischling goy like Bobby Fischer.
@haveahappyday
ramping up
Not restoring to a proper standing
Invades poland
So did the Soviet Union no war declared against them. Poles harassing and/or killing Germans Polish Gov refuses to negotiate.
In short fuck Poland and the Poles.
@haveahappyday
Germany was well within it`s right to invade Poland. Bunch of fuckers. Uncle Adolf was more than reasonable with them. Serves them right that they got fucked. And the UK never gave a fuck about Poland, it was just an excuse to get involved with the war. The UK and France never did a single thing to actually liberate Poland from either the Axis or the commie pinko`s.
@TalkBomber
@Techpill
@SniperWish
As a casus belli it was certainly not the sole reason for the UK to go to war, but it was justified. It was primarily a reaction to the threat posed by Germany to the rest of yurop.
muh 6 million ethnic Germans
So, why can't the Jews remove the Germans from the Earth and dismantle their nation? Surely they are merely trying to survive, knowing that the goyim will try to eradicate them as they have done for millenia?
going to war with the Soviets
Allies were smart enough not to make that mistake, but Germany wasn't!!!
@Spazyfool
Emil Maurice was a mischling.
His great-grandfather was Jewish.
That makes him, what?
1/8th Jewish?
He was culturally non-Jewish and barely ethnically Jewish.
He wasn't 'a Jew'.
And the only things they need to be excluded from in White Western nations are professions involving finance and banking, law, politics, media, and education. Otherwise I don't give a shit what they do or where they go.
@Illusionz
You are fucking garbage sir.
Objectivist garbage.
I genuinely hope bad things happen to you.
The nazi can never be successful until they realize they were in the wrong for invading Poland.
@JunkTop
@Illusionz
Nice proxy scumbag.
Jesus Christ, you kikes are fucking disgusting.
@haveahappyday
britpol i literally shitting in every thread
mad as fck they are responsible for our demise
@haveahappyday
limit them to a military the laughing stock of the entire continent
when they expand it to reasonable levels it's "dangerous military expansion"
Oh, totally, dude.
implying Germany didn't need to invade Poland to then invade the USSR before they were too powerful to defeat
implying the British did anything to help Poland, before, during, or after the war
implying the invasion of Poland wasn't a blatant excuse to go to war with Germany, much like Belgium in the First World War
@TalkBomber
Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. Polish ethnic cleansing of Germans has about as much evidence as the Holocaust, but that doesn't mean Hitler's invasion wasn't necessary.
@SniperWish
Uncle Adolf was more than reasonable with them
At the beginning. He should have just staged a coup to get a friendly government and it would have been fine.
request free access through their territory
after they've been ruled by foreigners for almost two hundred years, including Germans
be surprised when the Poles aren't excited about letting foreign militaries free access within their land
Would you also support the French if the they invaded Germany because the Germans weren't giving them free military access? When you're a new state just formed after almost two hundred years of foreign rule I think the Poles were quite reasonable in not wanting foreigners in their land.
Hitler had legitimate (resolvable) problems with Poland, but most of them were due to the post-WWI victorious powers, the British and French later-on, or the uncooperative and duped Polish government. Again, I think Hitler should have just staged a coup and made them an ally against the Soviets, promising them territory in the East (previous Polish lands plus maybe extra) while redrawing the borders and maybe doing some resettling of Poles and Germans to get rid of the tensions.
@Illusionz
the Soviets were totally okay
No.
implying the Allies shouldn't have teamed up with Germany to destroy communism
@JunkTop
Only partially. Hitler needed a way to preemptively knock-out the aggressive and dangerous Soviets as a threat, and the only logical path to do that is through Poland. Like Belgium in the Great War, they were just a country in between two enemies.
Hitler did have legitimate claim to Danzig which he gave a completely fair and generous deal to, but the problem was the Polish corridor. That would probably have been solvable peacefully if the Polish government hadn't been spurred to an anti-German stance diplomatically and war with the Soviets hadn't been on the horizon.
@Inmate
im not objectivist, i dont support what the allies did
but if you think that was egregious, then you should think doubly so of the axis
@Nude_Bikergirl
How about just exclude them from white western nations? Why have them at all?
@massdebater
The Axis did nothing wrong.
And you are an objectivist, or else a traitor, or else a Jew.
There is no other alternative.
In any case, you remain garbage.
To be honest I don't really see why Hitler would hate the Jews. Aren't the Jews just pretty much what he wanted for his own people? A tribe that stuck together and looked out for one another? Couldn't he have made a deal with deportations where they would be moved to wherever they themselves wanted instead of a faraway Island like Madagascar?
Read Dylan Roof's manifesto
@Playboyize
You are just eating up another side's propaganda.
Instead of thinking the Allies did nuffin wrong, you think the Axis did nuffin wrong.
How about just realize both sides did some right things and wrong things?
@Playboyize
Japan
Nothing wrong
Rape of Nanjing was fully justified, eh? Releasing black plague on unsuspecting backwater villages is okay, eh? Torturing PoWs, mutilating bodies, and flagrantly abusing the rules of war is just dandy, eh?
Germany
Nothing Wrong
Czechoslovakia and Poland ring a bell? How about Belgium? Norway?
@Firespawn
The problem was them fucking over Europeans constantly and everywhere, especially Germans (for Hitler). I'm sure he had no beef with the everyday ones who actually worked, but the elitists? I'm sure he did hate them.
@Playboyize
define objecitivist, user?
siding with the country my grandparents fought against with their lives, and bombed family and was allied with a non-white nation that threatened to invade my country
not traitorous
Not to say that I don't sympathize with the problems Germany was facing. But the reaction Germany had plays a big role in why things are as bad as they are. Millions of Europe's best are dead because of Germany's short-sighted decisions.
8th jewish
reason to keep him out
by that standard wouldn't Hitler have to have been kept the fuck away from office or even party membership? He was twice as much of a kike in that case. In fact wasn't his disappointment with viennan Jews and how they treated someone partially kin to them the reason he came to hate kikes in the first place?
@Methnerd
If you read Mein Kampf you can see that Uncle Adolf did not have a blind hatred of jews.
we are more hardcore than hitler himself
@BinaryMan
Czechoslovakia and Poland ring a bell? How about Belgium? Norway?
The Sudetenland was justified, and the rest of Czechoslovakia was partially justified as a pre-emptive strike. As far as I've read, Czechoslovakia was a huge haven for communists and their ilk, and had a pretty big standing army, a threat to anti-communist Germany. Hitler saw that war with the Soviets was inevitable, and sought to deny them an ally.
Poland was semi-justified. They would have been better as an ally, but Allied influence and traitors in the Polish government prevented that. At any rate, invasion was necessary in order to have a clear path to the Soviet Union, just like going through Belgium to knock out France in the Great War.
The Low Countries and Norway were invaded to prevent Allied footholds, a perfectly reasonable strategy to take after both France and Britain had declared war. Britain had planned to do the same thing for the same reason, and did in fact do it in the case of Iceland. War is war.
@girlDog
Poland was semi-justified. They would have been better as an ally, but Allied influence and traitors in the Polish government prevented that. At any rate, invasion was necessary in order to have a clear path to the Soviet Union, just like going through Belgium to knock out France in the Great War.
Except that shit isn't justifiable, you can't invade a country, kill a shitton of people out of the blue and say it's for the greater good of both nations.
@girlDog
literally anything is justified if Germany feels threatened
So if you have a large enough army to feasibly defend yourself or just happen to be in the way of a target Germany feels the need to attack, it's justified?
By that logic, the Allies did literally nothing wrong.
My whole take on the Holocaust was it was a desperate last minute attempt to hold off the gorrillions of Soviet troops on the eastern front. Look at it this way:
1) there were legitimate Nazi talks of moving the Jews to Madagascar from Europe. The British naval blockade sorta kibosh'd that. The allies realize that for the most part the Jews and Europeans just wanted nothing to do with each other and called the super shitty clay they designated for them "Israel". The Soviets did something similar back in 1934 with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the Russian far east (like literally touching Northeast China)
2) work/holding camps are constructed to appease the population in the meantime, a surprising number of people in the camps literally think it was all part of reason 1.
3) Operation Barberossa blows up in Hitler's face later 1941. Fucking human wave attacks out the ass.
4) Losing ground, people in camps are more than pissed. Suddenly realize that if the Soviets capture these camps then they just have more pissed off people to throw at your defenses.
5) Spaghetti.blackandwhitephotography
6) History is written by the winners so Nazi penal camps and "literally Hitler" come into play. It was bad, but in the context of the insane gulag shit going on in Stalin's Soviet Union its not beyond the pale.
I don't mind Jews, they're an absurdly motivated and intelligent people, but I can understand that on a ethno-national level they are much like the Russians basically the equivalent of a dog that gets beaten. The dog gets mean.
@Burnblaze
You're trying to apply morals to war. Not to mention this
you can't invade a country, kill a shitton of people out of the blue
is totally not in touch with reality. As far as I know, Polish losses due to the invasion were minimal in comparison to the rest of the war, and not all attributable to the Germans. "Out of the blue" is also just blatantly retarded. An "out of the blue" invasion would be like invading the Congo instead.
I mean, shit, dude, if you're trying to say all war is unjustified because it kills people why single out the Germans of the '40s?
@Firespawn
So if you have a large enough army to feasibly defend yourself or just happen to be in the way of a target Germany feels the need to attack, it's justified?
You're confusing "feelings" with reality. Germany posed absolutely no threat to Britain, and would have left France alone had they not declared war. British claims about German aggression wanting to conquer the world is nothing but blatant propaganda and is entirely ridiculous.
Fear of Soviet aggression was entirely justified. We're talking about a state that had attempted countless invasions without provocation before the war, did more in the early years of the war, did so massively at the end of the war, was based on an ideology literally pursuing world domination (of communism), had been funding revolutions and insurgent groups throughout Europe for two decades (especially Germany), and was poised with the largest army in history for invasion. I think German fears and preemptive action was entirely justified.
The nazis were never too hard on your average jews, thats just a byproduct of the holohoax.
Pic related, jews were granted extensive rights and there was no one-drop-rule bullshit either.
@Stark_Naked
Aggressive action on war is not justified, unless you manage to win.
Since the germans didn't win, they are not justified.
And no, it's out the blue because the poles have done nothing to Hitler and the germans.
@Crazy_Nice
the poles have done nothing to Hitler and the germans.
löl
lie harder shlomo
@SomethingNew
The only proof any Naziboos have EVER offered of so called Polish massacres of Ethnic Germans is a Newspaper clipping… which was dated two days after the Nazis had already occupied Poland.
@Crazy_Nice
Aggressive action on war is not justified, unless you manage to win.
Since the germans didn't win, they are not justified.
Right.
And no, it's out the blue because the poles have done nothing to Hitler and the germans.
"Out of the blue" implies randomness or whimsicality. It implies that the Germans had no reasons for invading Poland, which is 100% retarded. The Poles didn't have to do anything to the Germans for them to have reason to invade. Being the only way to kill the aggressive and waiting-to-kill-you power nearly right next to you is reason enough to invade them.
@LuckyDusty
No u.
I think the Axis did nothing wrong, at least, no more wrong than war-time brings.
What, specifically, would you claim they did wrong?
@BinaryMan
Rape of Nanjing
Asian Holohoax.
Neat.
Next.
releasing black plague on unsuspecting backwater villages
Prove it happened.
Provide a reliable source.
By which I mean, a source that is not the Allies nor anyone who was in conflict with the Japanese and would thus have reason to wish to paint them in a negative light.
The winner writes the history, no?
torturing PoWs, mutiliating bodies, and flagrant abusing the rules of war
Prove it happened.
Oh, what's that?
You can't?
inb4 wiki links
Yes, that's nice, as I said, provide proof by someone who had no motivation to speak ill of the Japanese, and perhaps I'll believe it.
But its the Asian equivalent of the Holohoax, lost in the fog of history and subject to intense propagandization.
You can't possible deny this.
Czechoslovakia
Poland
Rings a fine bell, but there was nothing wrong with it.
The land taken initially in Czech was German, and inhabited by Germans.
German land.
Hell, several areas had tried to re-align with German speaking nationstates, but been inhibited by American (ie Jew) friendly factions.
As for Poland, that speaks for itself.
Totally justified.
Belgium
"An absolute necessity forced us to present that demand to you. It is with mortal grief that the Emperor and his Government have had to resign themselves to doing so. To myself it is the most painful resolution and the most cruel thing I have had to do throughout my career. But the passage through Belgium is for Germany a question of life and death. She must be finished with France as quickly as possible, crush her completely so as then to be able to turn against Russia, otherwise she herself will be caught between the hammer and the anvil. We have learnt that the French army was preparing to pass through Belgium and to attack us on our flank. We must forestall her."
Totally justified.
They asked permission first, the Belgians denied them, thus forcing their hand.
If I have a gun at my head, and must move through a doorway, and you will not accept my request for you to move out of the way, I will move through you or otherwise remove you that I may pass and not die.
Especially justified if it should come to pass that, should I not pass, and should I die, you will die with me, as was the case in the event of a Russian invasion of Europe proper.
There is no denial of this.
Notary
The Norwegians were conspiring with the British, who had declared war on Germany by that point.
Fully justified, once again.
Anymore?
@Inmate
Being the only way to kill the aggressive and waiting-to-kill-you power nearly right next to you is reason enough to invade them.
That's not enough of a reason. I'm sorry.
You can't just kill someone because he manages to stand in your way between you and your enemy, that makes you an aggressor and a murderer.
@Bidwell
This.
Newspaper clippings are poor evidence. Here's newspaper clippings of a miracle in Portugal. I'm not saying anything about the truth of that miracle, but if you relied on these newspaper clippings, your standard of evidence would obviously be poor.
@Spazyfool
Why do you come here assuming ALL pol/acks think ALL Jews are bad and ALL olde-style NatSocs were good? You need to take this kind of thinking back to reddit, kid.
@Deadlyinx
Do you think the Armenian genocide and the Holodomor were hoaxes too? Or not because that's not convenient to your political narrative?
@Carnalpleasure
trying to apply libertarian morals to nation-states on an internationalist scale
Don't be buttfuck retarded. You absolutely can do that. That's how your group survives. That's how humans came to be here. "Good" or "bad" doesn't apply.
If I was a German it would absolutely be a good reason. Why the fuck should I wait for the Soviets to invade? Just so I'm not "the aggressor"? I'll take being "the aggressor" over being dead.
If I was a Pole it would be a pretty shitty reason, but not necessarily a bad one, since I would also face threat from the Soviets and the Germans aren't necessarily out to get me, just the Soviets on the other side of me.
Morals are only of use within a single civilization. Applying them outside makes zero sense. If your morals lead you to being killed off they're shit morals.
@Deadlyinx
Asian holohoax
Verified by Brits, Germans, and Americans in the foreign quarters.
torturing PoWs, mutilating bodies, and flagrant abusing the rules of war
https://www.archives.gov/iwg/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-essays.pdf
Japanese papers, you know, the ones they themselves printed?, record many of the horrors of Nanjing. When your own kinsmen are patting themselves on the back for the horrors you've committed, yeah, it's verified.
inhabited by Germans
IT WAS POLISH TERRITORY THREE HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE BISMARCK WAS A TWINKLE IN HIS FATHER'S EYES
everything is justified
no sovereign state has a right to deny the Axis anything
Hitler was a gud boy, dindu nuffin. Need mo' land fo' dem Germans. We wuz Kaisers n' shit.
@StonedTime
This is not libertarian moral, this is the basis casus belli. Self-defense is the only just war where people rally to you, this is why false flag is so popular.
You only think for the germans, therefore you think everything the germs did for themselves is justifiable, but you must remember that the entire world does not think what is good for germans is good for these people.
@SniperWish
Have you seen the Hitler cocksucking that goes on around here? I swear to God, there's a bunch of newfags who took the "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" meme at face value.
@CodeBuns
Simple flow chart, yes or no questions where possible.
Are you Jewish?
Yes.
Enough said.
No.
Are you European?
No.
Enough said.
Yes.
You are an objectivist.
You made the argument:
So, why can't the Jews remove the Germans from the Earth and dismantle their nation?
Surely they are merely trying to survive, knowing that the goyim will try to eradicate them as they have done for millenia?
If you are Jew, obviously, this makes perfect sense.
If you are a non-European, you have no particular reason to side with the European cause against the Jews.
If you are European, however, you are an objectivist.
What do I mean by 'objectivist', you ask?
I mean that you attempt to view the world via a totally objective lense, or seem to suggest as much.
There is no other explanation for your view as regards the justification of Jewish genocide of non-Jews, specifically, your own people.
You have abandoned any form of tribalism, not merely the unjustified allignments we decry lesser peoples (such as the Negroids) for, it would seem, and this is hardly a noble act.
Why should the Jew not be allowed to genocide the Germans?
Because the Germans have done nothing to warrant such, certainly, if they have in theory done such a thing as would warrant such, then nothing which was not derivative from threat on behalf of the Jew.
If you attack someone over an extended period, and they eventually seek to rescind your ability to do so and to reclaim your ill-gotten gains, you are hardly justified in claiming you ought be allowed to murder them for doing so, and call it justice.
the reaction Germany had
Which was the appropriate reaction.
You don't address this.
The reaction Germany had to Polish murder of German civilians via Polish-Jewish partisans was to request a cessation of such hostilities.
This request was not met.
This was a blatant act, designed to draw Germany into war, with a cadre of Semite designers behind it.
Why things are as bad as they are?
Look no further than the Allies.
Had they not backed the tainted Poland, had they not espoused open hostility - spurred by the Jews who owned them, heart and very soon soul - then those millions of Europes best would not have died.
You decry the Germans for the 'short-sighted decisions' of invading a neighboring state murdering ethnic Germans, lay the blame for all that followed at their feet, yet what say you of the Allies in that context, eh?
What say you of the Semitic clique behind the scenes, who spurred this war into motion?
No, no, we mustn't concern ourselves of them, they are not to blame, nor are those who followed their orders - those who resisted them, they are who are to blame.
Because they lost, and for no other reason.
Garbage sir, you are garbage.
@WebTool
I don't have enough information on them to make an informed decision as regarding their authenticity.
I do have enough information on the Holohoax to make such an informed decision, and I find it a flimsy tale mostly representative of Jewish wiles and the desire of the Allies to make a villain of the Germans to justify what was done (at the behest of Jews) to the German people.
@Booteefool
Prove that the poles genocide the ethnic german, you goddamn nazi cocksucking piece of shit.
The jews used the same goddamn excuse to declare war against Germany, and now you use the same.
MUH GERMAN HOLOHOAX
@StrangeWizard
From a Jewish perspective Jews did nothing wrong. From a Western perspective they did, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with ensuring Western survival by getting rid of them. Get out of here with your sophistry. Survival >>>> morals. Morals are for ensuring survival, not the other way around.
@whereismyname
This is not libertarian moral, this is the basis casus belli. Self-defense is the only just war where people rally to you, this is why false flag is so popular.
It is literally the NAP. "Aggressive action is only justified in self-defense." It is fucking pointless to apply it to nation-states like they're just larger actors in one larger society that abides by laws. They fucking don't. That's why "international law" is also retarded.
You only think for the germans
Yeah, and I'm listing reasons so that the German position can be understood. The only "good" or "bad" stance I can take on the issue is on how it affects my people, but they basically weren't involved in the conflict (not in a life or death struggle, certainly), so I can't make any such statement.
therefore you think everything the germs did for themselves is justifiable
Yes, if I was German everything the Germans did was justifiable. I'm explaining why they did what they did, not trying to take a moral stance, precisely because taking a moral stance on the issue is entirely retarded.
but you must remember that the entire world does not think what is good for germans is good for these people.
What does this even mean?
@Deadlyinx
It is fucking pointless to apply it to nation-states like they're just larger actors in one larger society that abides by laws. They fucking don't. That's why "international law" is also retarded.
The very fact the germs broke the laws, that's why they are punished, you are trying to excuse for them.
Yeah, and I'm listing reasons so that the German position can be understood.
No matter how the war is positive for the germs, does not mean that it is justifiable. Might makes right in this world, and the germs lack might so they have to follow the laws.
I'm explaining why they did what they did
We all understand what they did, this does not mean it's justifiable. You can't just attack a nation to attack someone else, especially when the nation you claim to want to attack just form a pact with you.
What does this even mean?
What is good for germs is not good for poles, for brits, for french, for americans, or for ruskies.
@Booteefool
Are you Jewish?
No.
Are you European?
Yes, ethnically.
There is no other explanation for your view as regards the justification of Jewish genocide of non-Jews, specifically, your own people.
You have abandoned any form of tribalism, not merely the unjustified allignments we decry lesser peoples (such as the Negroids) for, it would seem, and this is hardly a noble act.
You would not deny that there are objective facts, though, user? I can understand you denying universal morals, however I think it's dangerous. The Christians are 100% right with their concept of idolatry and denunciation of subjectivism.
Of course, that doens't mean that two competing people can't both be morally right. Two soldiers trying to kill each other in a war for the survival of their competing units, nations etc. are both morally right.
However, I don't think viewing your ethnicity or nation as your sole source of moral authority is going to be constructive. Just look at the way Jews have functioned all over the earth with their inward group dynamics, it has had a negative impact on other nations and it has led to their near extinction many times.
I haven't abandoned all forms of tribalism, though. On the contrary, I am a patriot. I don't think there's anything wrong with fighting to survive. However, what did killing millions of Poles have to do with survival?
I don't think any one group can face the full brunt of responsibility, and I think Leeky Forums's narrative is useful for giving attention to people we might be uncomfortable to ascribe responsibility for.
Replying to 4cuck bait threads
@WebTool
The very fact the germs broke the laws
International laws aren't laws, and breaking them has basically no moral aspect. By your logic it's better to die or be invaded than stop the invasion preemptively.
that's why they are punished
Yeah, totally, it's just like when the drug dealer down the street is sent to jail. No difference whatsoever.
you are trying to excuse for them
There's nothing to excuse. I can no more condemn, morally, a nation for attempting to save itself via whatever means than I can condemn a lion for killing gazelles so it can eat.
Might makes right in this world, and the germs lack might so they have to follow the laws.
So you're one of the "might makes right" retards? You do realize that's referring to reality and not a valid moral stance, right? It should be "might makes survivor." If you're not convinced you'll have to be when the people with the might tell you the same thing.
this does not mean it's justifiable
It's outside the realm of justifiability. Pronouncing it "justifiable" or "unjustifiable" is like calling people evil for killing animals, even if they need them to live.
You can't just attack a nation to attack someone else
Why?
especially when the nation you claim to want to attack just form a pact with you.
I'm sure the Soviets would totally have abode by the pact and would never have invaded the Germans if the Germans hadn't done so first. That's just not in their nature. Just ask Finland.
What is good for germs is not good for poles, for brits, for french, for americans, or for ruskies.
Okay? That's what I've been saying this whole time. Morals don't apply. It was bad for Neanderthals for humans to outcompete them, but I'm not about to condemn humans for doing so, being a fucking human.
@cum2soon
If morals don't apply, there's no point in arguing with you.
The germs lost, so they are wrong. Period.
@GoogleCat
Well, fuck user, my reply was eatten by the system.
I'll give you a short reply though.
Verified by Brits and Americans
See:
Provide a reliable source.
By which I mean, a source that is not the Allies nor anyone who was in conflict with the Japanese and would thus have reason to wish to paint them in a negative light.
The winner writes the history, no?
As for the German and Japanese 'verification', cite the sources.
I've never seen Japanese papers claiming pride in the supposed 'atrocities' of the Japanese in Nanking.
I'd also be interested in seeing what the Germans had to say, at least, what you're citing, and what the source says happened and when they said it.
These are important factors in considerations of the post-war happenings.
The source you cited I started to investigate, but the first three names associated with it were Americans, two of them having close relation to the US government, one claiming to have found an intercepted transmission that showed the Nazis talking about the Holohoax extermination of the Jews shit in '41.
Sounds legit bro.
territory
I don't give a shit about 'territory'.
The PEOPLE in that territory were ethnic Germans.
And the Poles were murdering them.
And when called on it, refused to stop.
End of story on that one.
no sovereign state has the right to deny the Axis anything
Strawman.
The argument was not 'no sovereign state has the right to deny the Axis anything'.
The arguments were:
Germany was justified in moving through a sovereign nation - who was promised sovereignty and whose own well-being was threatened by an imminent threat which they would be unable to overcome - who had denied them passage and whose denial would spell the doom of Germany and potentially all of Europe.
Germany was justified in invading a neighboring state which was acting unjustly upon ethnic Germans within territories taken during the Versailles treaty
The United States was Injun territory for thousands of years before Columbus was a twinkle in his father's eye.
If Injuns (at the behest of the Jews) started murdering white Americans on their reservations, would the US (after diplomatic attempts to cease such actions had failed) then not have the right, even duty, to invade to save their people against unjustified Injun aggression, on the basis that centuries prior that land had belonged to the Injun?
Would Canada having allied with the Injuns, such that such invasion would initiate a(n already inevitable) conflict, which might cost American lives?
Not necessarily the most graceful comparison, but effective as needed, all the same.
By your reasoning, no, they would not have that right/obligation, they should instead sit and watch their people murdered, and if they refused, they would (in your eyes), guilty of starting the conflict that might result.
I do not agree with this reasoning of yours.
we wuz
Your attempt at insult just makes you seem a faggot.
@Methnerd
The PEOPLE in that territory were ethnic Germans.
And the Poles were murdering them.
Proof?
Statistics?
@hairygrape
Okay, so I trust you won't complain if you get mugged. After all, might makes right, so if the mugger overpowered you he was clearly in the right.
@Emberfire
Yes, if we don't take morals, laws and the concept of right and wrong, the robber deserve it for me being weak.
@Methnerd
https://sites.google.com/site/renemalenfant/hyakuningirikyousou
Here. Here's your fucking newspaper where Japanese fucking officers describe their fucked up contest to kill one hundred fucking civilians you fucking apologist.
Deny that shit. I dare you. I FUCKING DARE YOU. New York Times, Protestant Missionaries, European doctors, even diplomats collaborate the Rape of Nanking. Fucking deny it. Go on.
@RavySnake
So you just admitted that "might makes right" isn't a moral judgement or a way to ascertain moral stances.
@StrangeWizard
Might makes right is the true rule of the world.
But if you lack might, you might petition to laws and morals that are enforced by the mighty.
@Stupidasole
Might makes right is the true rule of the world.
Yes, but that has jack shit to do with morals. A powerful man isn't right, he's just the winner.
@BinaryMan
muh nanjingocaust
remember the 6 million innocent chink babies ruthlessly burned alive by fire breathing japanese dragons
you unironically believe Communist Party of China propaganda
OP, tell me how stupid and a bad troll you're to suggest one kike (probably like 1/16th of one) excuses and or make up for the millions of others? I hope you get run over by a truck today.
@Illusionz
A powerful man writes the morals and rules in the first place.
Strength is what makes right and wrong, and strength is what enforces it.
@Stark_Naked
300 to 600 thousand. Weebs are the worst.
@Raving_Cute
When you demand ideological and racial purity greater than that of the Third Reich, maybe you should stand back and examine your life.
@Raving_Cute
I hope you get run over by a truck today.
wow, you presented me with new information and a different opinion
I'm so triggered, hope you die lol
@Soft_member
Jesus got his ass killed by mortal.
How is that strong?
And even, christian moral does not justify conquest, only self-defense.
@Lunatick
A powerful man writes the morals and rules in the first place.
Nope. That would imply he can manipulate the laws of the universe, which is wrong and retarded. No matter how powerful he is he cannot make the wrong right or the right wrong. He does not "write" the morals, he merely enforces or represses them. They themselves are above and separate from him.
Strength is what makes right and wrong,
Nope.
and strength is what enforces it.
Yes.
@Booteefool
300 to 600 thousand
spouting fake CPC talking points
shoehorns weebs into the conversation for no reason
The only thing worse than weebs are parrots of jewish communist parties
@Stark_Naked
@Methnerd
Also, look up John Rabe. Nazi party member and businessman in Nanking at the time. Described the events going on.
But, oh, wait, German, American, and British testimonies aren't good enough, are they? Japanese testimonies are obviously forged, right? Even if Tojo himself rose from his grave and wrote a confession live on camera that the Rape of Nanking happened, you'd still deny it.
What the fuck happened to you, Leeky Forums? Where's the engagement, where's the evidence, where's the goddamn logic and ability to engage with history? When did that get replaced by blind dogmatism and rabid loyalty?
@ZeroReborn
the Rape of Nanking. Fucking deny it. Go on.
ok, i deny it
600,000 people killed in 6 weeks? yeah no
@farquit
I'm trying to subvert your point.
Genuine morality exists irrespective what is enforced by those in power.
@happy_sad
Morals are piece of rules written by authority.
Morals are not fucking physics.
@Bidwell
Okay, Comfort Women. How bout those? Manchuria. Vietnam. Mongolia. The Phillipines. Australia.
I'm sure the Bataan Death March didn't happen, either.
@Techpill
Bullshit, morals have changed a lot over the years.
Back then you could kill an adulterer with no consequences, but now?
@Sharpcharm
Okay, Comfort Women. How bout those?
all willing prostitutes who were paid and housed and taken care of
next?
@lostmypassword
"There's also more information on this site:http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
Pictures documenting some of the atrocities (warning: some of them are very graphic):
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_...s_p215-218.htm
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_...s_p219-223.htm
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_...s_p224-229.htm
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_...s_p230-236.htm
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_...s_p237-243.htm
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_...s_p244-249.htm
Ethnic Germans were victims of all sorts of atrocities and abuses committed by Poles for quite some time, until Hitler finally decided to put a stop to it, that was the real reason for the invasion of Poland in 1939. But Poland wasn't the only place where these kind of things took place, they also occurred in Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Russia and the Baltic States, the reality is that Volksdeutschen living in Eastern-Europe are the real victims in history…"
AWWW, YOU LOSE. BUMMER DUDE.
This thread is a consensus crack.

Philosophy and Metaphysics
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 03:41 AM
I found this an interesting read and the mention of abovetopsecret.com on this board definitely made things clear to me. Members of other forums are visiting this site and signaling out our vices.
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A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE (Germany started the war) without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
Yes, there are good jews, but they are an outlier.They are not the norm. I never, NEVER call shill, but an entire thread trying to cover up hard fought evidence the Leeky Forums worked to assemble is unacceptable. After this shit, they are going to be pushing "the holohoax was real, get over it you conspiracy theorists". I've seen it happen. The truth does not fear investigation, Germany was justified. Eat shit kikes.
@Emberburn
willing prostitutes
They were told they were going to be working as nurses and there's evidence (read: the government pamphlets they sent out) that the Japanese government was fully aware of this duplicity.
Now address the way that Japan basically attacked every one of its fucking neighbors, even those across the Pacific, and brutalized them.
@TreeEater
Yes they are. Morals are just as much laws of the universe as anything else. A moral good is whatever allows your people to survive best. For example, wide-scale suicide is a moral bad, and no matter how powerful someone is he won't be able to make it a moral good. That's buttfuck retarded.
@SniperWish
These source point to the atrocities happen AFTER the Poland invasion.
@Burnblaze
That's primarily a change in legal code and attitudes toward punishment.
In the laws of ancient Israel things like adultery would be punished by death.
Popular opinion today is that adultery is immoral, but that the legal system shouldn't be or isn't the best way to handle that violation of morality.
@WebTool
Suicide is bad because it kills yourself, therefore people make rules to encourage people to not themselves.
It's that simple.
Morals exist after people exist, not before.
@BlogWobbles
The fact legal codes can be changed means moral too can be changed.
Nobody had a problem with slavery until, bam, having slave is immoral.
@SniperWish
Polish "atrocities" occurred AFTER the invasion was over, even by the German reckoning.
Unless you're arguing that somehow Hitler was prescient and had visions of future Polish abuses and was striking preemptively, it looks like this was retaliation for the Nazis goosestepping all over Polish clay.
@RavySnake
now address the soviet orders to rape and pillage everyone and everything they came across
now address the bombing of dresden
now address the deliberate murder by starvation of millions of german troops that surrendered
now address the fact the chinese are subhuman scum
@Illusionz
chinese are subhuman scum
There it is. That's the whole reason it's justifiable, isn't it? You're not Japanese, you're not German, ergo you're fair game.
Fuck you and fuck your ideology. Go commit hari-kari over how you'll never be a perfect Nipponese fucktard.
@CodeBuns
The fact legal codes can be changed means moral too can be changed.
That's incredibly simplistic.
Nobody had a problem with slavery until, bam, having slave is immoral.
Nobody had a problem with slavery
Except, I dunno, the Catholic Church way before slavery was legal. Also probably like many many people.
Nevertheless, that's actually irrelevant to the origins of morality.
@Burnblaze
If "moral good" = "whatever the powerful say it is" then why seek to change anything, or are you just here to shitpost?
@VisualMaster
Suicide is bad because it kills yourself
Yes, which is bad because it generally hurts your people. If your people don't exist they don't exist.
therefore people make rules to encourage people to not themselves.
That doesn't follow from your premise. Why is killing yourself bad? You never stated a reason.
Morals exist after people exist, not before.
Assuming the universe exists independently of the observer, they don't. Just like the speed of light would still be the speed of light even if people didn't exist, a moral good would still be a moral good without them (in an abstract sort of way, as from the perspective of a human the continuation of humans, more specifically my own branch of humanity, is the only reason for morals anyway).
@CodeBuns
Laws ≠ morals. A law can be morally bad.
@Need_TLC
You really think you can come here and spew lies in every single post without a single source or reference?
You too are subhuman scum and will be placed into an oven soon.
@Nude_Bikergirl
Catholic Church can bitch and whine all they want, but it's until the slaves that are replaced by machines that the popular consensus that having slaves = immoral.
@Fried_Sushi
I would deny those are objective facts.
I would suggest they are entirely subjective.
If you are a European, there ought be no objective justification for genocide of Europeans on behalf of the Jews, certainly not in the context described; while Jews have done much to warrant such treatment.
Two soldiers trying to kill each other in a war for survival of their competing units, nations, etc. are both morally right.
But that is not the question, because this is not a 'war for survival', necessarily.
The Jews MAKE IT a war for survival, via their predatory and parasitic behavioral patterns and cultural outlook of divine right.
IOW: You, like the Jew, make the assumption that the goyim will try to destroy the Jew, yet in all the millenia of the goy-Jew conflict, it is almost-always the actions of Jews, welcomed as guests and then decried for their predatory and abusive actions towards their hosts, which initiates a conflict such that the goyim become a threat to the Jew.
You cannot wrong someone who would have been your friend, then, when they present a threat to you, claim you are justified in killing them because they are a threat to you - YOU made them a threat, and so you are deserving of their response, though they were not (and would not be going into the future) deserving of aggressions on your behalf.
If it is a matter of survival, then by your own efforts - by the Jews own efforts - it was become such a matter, for it was not until they make it so.
Two soldiers, one of a parasitic culture espousing belief in divine right to rule all in the out-group as slaves, one of a culture which has been parasitized by the aforementioned folk and turned violently against them, cannot be equated to two soldiers in a mere war for survival, for such eliminates any context, which is important, especially so in such matters.
The Germans responding against Jewish predations were morally right.
Not so of the Jews predating upon the Germans in their moments of weakness after WWI (moments the Jews helped bring to fruition, no less), after having allowed the Jews into German lands, nor of the Jews after the war was settled and the Jews sought to prey upon the Germans (the goyim in general) with all the more vitriol, and have continued to do for more than 70 years (via their Holohoax myth, for example).
Now, none of that is really the question in your case, however; the question there being, if you are (effectively) of the same kin as the soldier above who is of the culture which was (and is) parasitized, and yet attempt to argue the 'objective truth' you presented, you are abandoning any and all forms of tribalism for the objective, or rather, a false state of objectivity, derived from a false set of circumstances.
To put it bluntly, if one of your own is attacked and strikes back, and you would seek to try and justify the one who struck your own while decrying your own who struck back, you are at best lost in objectivity, and at worse, an outright traitor to your kin.
However, I dont think
No, you don't.
This line of commentary, the start of which I quoted, is garbage, like yourself, and I discard it out of hand, because once again, it is you creating a strawman to burn.
Have fun burning hay, I'll have no part of it.
I will say this though:
The Jews negative impact is due to how they view others, which is, as slaves, as livestock, as goyim.
We view the Jew, as ourselves, as just another of many, perhaps lesser than us of a sense; but the Jew, they view themselves as the one amongst the many, as outsiders.
This is what allows them to engage in the predations they do, and think it justified, what allows them to continue to cry as though victims, while in truth, they are victims only of the consequences of their unjustified abuses of others, driven only by greed and hatred of out-group factions.
It was not, is not, merely the inward group-dynamics of the Jew, but the outward group-dynamics of the Jew, which have cost them so much, and continue to cost them, again and again - that is to say, it is not how the Jew treats other Jews, but how the Jew treats non-Jews, which creates such hostility toward them.
The combination of inward and outward group-dynamics, as espoused by the Jew, makes them, well, 'the Jew'.
Other peoples espouse inward group-dynamics, tribalistic in nature, which do not represent such innate harmfulness toward other nations and peoples.
@takes2long
However, what did
Still asking the wrong questions.
That said, what did killing millions of Poles have to do with survival?
Several things, clearly.
On the mere national level, the Polish were attacking Germans, survival in the most basic sense.
On the more 'meta-level', survival of the European people quite-soon became a matter of concern, a matter which the Allies - in bed with the same Jewish factions which supported the Soviets and their rise to power - may well have recognized too late if millions of Russian soldiers not been worn away upon German positions.
Killing millions of Poles, I don't know about, but the invasion of Poland?
That had everything to do with survival.
But I digress…
The real question is:
What did killing thousands of ethnic Germans accomplish?
Or perhaps…
What did allying with Poland accomplish?
This one is particularly poignant, given what fate befell the Polish after their 'allies' had acquired the justification they needed to carry out their Semite masters' plans of slaughtering millions more European men and finally conquering German militarily (where economic conquering had not sufficed).
I can answer that second one for you user: It accomplished absolutely nothing. Literally fucking nothing… Well, I can't say that. It handed Poland to the Soviets on a silver platter and started a needless Jew-wrought war that cost millions of European lives, some of the best of us.
That's 'something', I suppose.
I think one group CAN face the whole brunt of responsibility, and that group is the hook-nosed kikes behind the scenes that manipulated the entire scenario to their liking; though, granted, I would also have to attribute a fair share of that blame to the Allied leadership, that went along with the Jew-led initiative to destroy Germany (because it fought back against the Jew's unjustified predations).
@Need_TLC
But even the Chinese agree, no one has killed as many chinks as the chinks themselves.
They are subhuman scum that is worthless, that's just part of their culture.
You can see small kids getting run over by trucks in china and no chink will even bat an eye, because they don't care, there's another 3 billion there anyway, it doesn't matter.
@Lord_Tryzalot
If "moral good" = "whatever the powerful say it is" then why seek to change anything, or are you just here to shitpost?
Because I have the desire to be stronger, thus makes my own rules.
That doesn't follow from your premise. Why is killing yourself bad? You never stated a reason.
As said, if everybody kills themselves, who would work? That's bad for any society.
Just like the speed of light would still be the speed of light even if people didn't exist, a moral good would still be a moral good without them
A moral good person is only moral good if he's recognized by other people. If a person dies and nobody knows of his deeds, he wouldn't be know as morally good.
@lostmypassword
@Stupidasole
So, Germany invading Poland doesn't need any justification since Germany was the stronger party.
Thanks for clearing that up, Oleg.
@Lord_Tryzalot
Laws ≠ morals. A law can be morally bad.
That's for you to decide.
Society nowadays deem homos are okay, but christcucks still say they are immoral.
That's all it is.
@Methnerd
So Germany getting their ass kicked is deserving considering american, brits and ruskies are stronger than germs.
Good to know, Hans.
@kizzmybutt
Because I have the desire to be stronger, thus makes my own rules.
That sounds like a non-answer.
As said, if everybody kills themselves, who would work? That's bad for any society.
So "moral good" in your universe is anything that allows more work? Good to know.
A moral good person is only moral good if he's recognized by other people
Nope. He's morally good irrespective of whether people call him good.
If a person dies and nobody knows of his deeds, he wouldn't be know as morally good.
Keyword: known. He wouldn't be known to be morally good, but he would still be morally good.
@PackManBrainlure
So you came in here to say a lot of words with no meaning? That's great.
@Burnblaze
You're such a fucking retard, you know that?
By your logic, if you get shot by commies you deserve it for being weaker than bullets.
Please, get your nutsack hit by a sledge hammer. If you're sterile after that, you don't deserve to procreate.
@takes2long
If you are a European, there ought be no objective justification for genocide of Europeans on behalf of the Jews
I don't think there has been an objective justification for genocide in recorded human history, as far as I'm aware.
IOW: You, like the Jew, make the assumption that the goyim will try to destroy the Jew, yet in all the millenia of the goy-Jew conflict, it is almost-always the actions of Jews, welcomed as guests and then decried for their predatory and abusive actions towards their hosts, which initiates a conflict such that the goyim become a threat to the Jew.
Jews fight goy, goy fight Jews, Jews fight goy, goy fights Jews.
While I would agree that the most notable actions against the Jews in history were provoked by some larger negative action on behalf of the Jewish community in those nations, in all probability the Jews were probably persecuted as outsiders for being an out-group as well.
The Germans responding against Jewish predations were morally right.
If they had merely responded against the predators, instead of all Jews without prejudice. And I don't mean 'all Jews' in just a racial profiling way, I mean punishing the Jews as a whole race and attempting to eliminate even the harmless and innocent.
Also you love the word garbage a lot. Is English your second language?
The Jews negative impact is due to how they view others, which is, as slaves, as livestock, as goyim.
We view the Jew, as ourselves, as just another of many, perhaps lesser than us of a sense; but the Jew, they view themselves as the one amongst the many, as outsiders.
Bullshit. What about the 'master race' meme? I often see posts deriding the Jews for being inferior morally and in vigor too, as an inferior race - not just a competing one.
@SniperGod
So "moral good" in your universe is anything that allows more work? Good to know.
What's good is keep people alive and be productive, that's pretty much the only objectiveness when it comes to being good.
Keyword: known. He wouldn't be known to be morally good, but he would still be morally good.
You can't prove him to be morally good if you don't know of his good deeds.
So you came in here to say a lot of words with no meaning? That's great.
I come here to say that morals are relative, not objective.
@RumChicken
Can't you see he's being facetious and using your own logic against you? fucking DUMMY
@RumChicken
My logic is might makes right, so indeed you deserve to be shot by commies if you get overpowered by them in the first place.
If you argue on the size of laws and morality, then the invasion of Poland is not justifiable by any laws or morality.
@Ignoramus
I was taught that he was Jewish and hated himself.
@CouchChiller
@haveahappyday
@Spamalot
Hore Belisha was also a warmongerer. In fact, he has been directly accused of being exactly that, and was at the forefront of stirring shit up with Germany. Churchill didn't help, he seemed like quite an ignorant fellow.
At Poland, 1/2 the land Germany lost (if you exclude not being allowed to unite with Austria) was lost to Poland. Funny enough, there was a bit of German land left alone, cut off by the land (with Danzig in the path) given to Poland. IIRC, Germans in Danzig were treated poorly, because they were German.
@Garbage Can Lid
I thought that was urs. I'm getting confused now. My apologies.
@Nojokur
What's good is keep people alive and be productive, that's pretty much the only objectiveness when it comes to being good.
Why is this a moral good? Because the powerful right now say it is? I'll pass.
You can't prove him to be morally good if you don't know of his good deeds.
No, and before modern technology people couldn't prove atoms existed, but that doesn't make them nonexistent before they were proved to exist.
I come here to say that morals are relative, not objective.
So nothing.
@Garbage Can Lid
Indeed, since you run out of excuse to justify the invasion of Poland.
@Boy_vs_Girl
Why is this a moral good? Because the powerful right now say it is? I'll pass.
It means people are doing something to benefit the society, which means society grows and so with it the people.
No, and before modern technology people couldn't prove atoms existed, but that doesn't make them nonexistent before they were proved to exist.
I wouldn't be so sure. If there are new science that prove that atoms don't actually exist, then they don't actually exist. Even truth in this universe changes.
@Raving_Cute
Most of the land Germany lost was ethnic Polish though, was it not? Excluding some territories like Danzig. But most of the eastern side of Prussia was Polish?
Hitler liked Zionists because they basically agreed with him about the JQ.
@viagrandad
It means people are doing something to benefit the society, which means society grows and so with it the people.
Benefit? Grow? These sound like pre-existent desirable things. But desirable to who? Many people might suffer and not see the results of their hard work, but believe in it for a greater moral purpose.
@MPmaster
Hitler offered Poland everything they wanted during the Danzig corridor dispute. They said no so they could get try and get more and fuck over Germany. Fuck Poland. You too will enter the gas chambers soon.
@viagrandad
It means people are doing something to benefit the society, which means society grows and so with it the people.
And this is good why? From everything you've stated this is in no way obvious or objective. You're just pulling shit out of your ass in order to justify whatever you're saying.
I wouldn't be so sure. If there are new science that prove that atoms don't actually exist, then they don't actually exist. Even truth in this universe changes.
No, the truth would never have changed. Do you seriously believe that atoms didn't exist until they were proved to exist, then popped into existence, and would cease existing if they were proved not to exist.
This is just all sophistry. Is there even any point in arguing with you?
@Inmate
Desirable to the powerful man, because with a strong society, he got more power and wealth to himself.
@kizzmybutt
Hitler offered Poland everything they wanted during the Danzig corridor dispute
Not really. Hitler wanted free military access through the corridor, and Poland was entirely justified in saying no to that. If France had wanted free military access through Germany would Germany have been unjustified in telling them to fuck off?
@hairygrape
And this is good why? From everything you've stated this is in no way obvious or objective.
It's pretty obvious. Strong man creates rules, rules create big and strong society, society brings more wealth and power to strong man, makes him even stronger.
No, the truth would never have changed. Do you seriously believe that atoms didn't exist until they were proved to exist, then popped into existence, and would cease existing if they were proved not to exist.
Yes, I believe so, because truth and even the laws of physics are ever-changing. We never know enough. See: the abrahmic god, he popped out existence, and now he fades away.
This is just all sophistry. Is there even any point in arguing with you?
This all starts with the invasion of Poland. You think morals don't apply to Germany and Germany can do whatever it wants because it's strong. I'm saying Germany isn't strong, and they are wrong both in traditional moral and might make right debate.
@SniperGod
Yes, I believe so, because truth and even the laws of physics are ever-changing. We never know enough. See: the abrahmic god, he popped out existence, and now he fades away.
This is fucking retarded. I can tell you buy into quantum mysticism shit.
@Carnalpleasure
Do you deny that transpired, then?
@ZeroReborn
to kill one hundred fucking civilians
But that's not what that source says, user, at least from a quick examination.
Why would you make that kind of statement when the source doesn't say anything about 'civilians'?
In fact, most of the mentions are of enemy camps, enemy pillboxes, etc
Second Lieutenant Noda: "The both of us have decided not to cut down people who are running away. I'm an [aide-de-camp], so I can't get my numbers up. But before we get to Danyang, I'll try to set a big record."
So they made a contest of killing enemies with their sword?
No mention of them being civilians… Soooo, I deny that shit.
What now?
@Inmate
Don't tell me to look something up, if you want to use something as part of an argument, cite it yourself.
American and British testimonies
Are worthless, yes.
As for German, that will depend on context, which will become clear when you cite the source.
Japanese testimonies aren't necessarily forged, they just don't contain the claims you claim they do - remember?
Remember when you claimed they were killing 'civilians', when the paper you cited says nothing of the sort, specifically mentions 'enemies'?
Oh, well, you'll remember after I post this comment I suppose.
You present yourself as though you've made an unequivocal argument, but all you've done is make claims about sources you did not cite, and make false claims about a source you did cite.
If Tojo rose from the dead and wrote a confession of the sort, perhaps that might change my mind - but he hasn't.
All I have is you, crying about Nanking, and inappropriately citing materials that do not contain the claim you say the do.
What happened to you, user?
Where's the engagement?
Where's the evidence?
Where's the goddamn logic and ability to engage with history, to understand the concept of the fog of history, how easily it is to manipulate events of rather minimal important or impact even a decade past, let alone seven, let alone events which were of grave significance and which represented much motivation for manipulation?
When did that get replaced by blind dogmaticism and rabid hostility, exactly?
You cry about historical evidence and engagement, yet you (I suspect purposefully) misrepresent sources and deny the illegitimacy of the victor's claims as regards the defeated.
Garbage.
@RumChicken
This is fucking retarded. I can tell you buy into quantum mysticism shit.
We are but little matters in this universe, defined only by our intellect, our belief and our strength.
@VisualMaster
*
Second Lieutenant Noda: "The both of us have decided not to cut down people who are running away. I'm an [aide-de-camp], so I can't get my numbers up. But before we get to Danyang, I'll try to set a big record."
everyone around him is too scared to acknowledge the situation and won't rearm the UK
But user, that's not true.
@VisualMaster
What transpired happened after the poland invasion, according even to the nazi narrative.
That seems justified considering the germans are invading and killing poles.
@SniperGod
There's no point in arguing with a man who denies objective truth.
@JunkTop
Poetic and meaningless.
@haveahappyday
allies with Poland
also allies with the soviet union and allows them to take over Poland
@eGremlin
Are worthless, yes.
As for German, that will depend on context, which will become clear when you cite the source.
only believing the testimonies of the guys you agree with top kek
no testimony is worthless, you just have to account for its biases
@JunkTop
The fact that our perception is faulty and often changes sometimes further away or closer to the truth depending on all kinds of factors has nothing to do with what actually exists. You make a faulty assumption with no solid epistemological ground that there is no objective truth; probably for political and moral convenience more than via any rational investigation.
@Nude_Bikergirl
What actually exist must actually be proven to exist, and it can disproven to not exist, with enough evidences.
Don't lecture me on objective truth, when truth can be changed.
@Need_TLC
Honestly, I am glad the British people are being bred out by gypsies and curryniggers. Subhuman Jewish cunts.
@Need_TLC
The Soviets established Poland as a satellite state, but they were still an autonomous country. At that point they were liberating Poland from Germany.
A more salient point other anons have brought up is that war wasn't declarde on the USSR when thye partook in the invasion of Poland alongside Germany?
@Need_TLC
You know who else allies with the Soviet Union at the time of invasion of Poland?
Ah, yes, Nazi Germany.
@Boy_vs_Girl
What actually exist must actually be proven to exist, and it can disproven to not exist, with enough evidences.
The fuck are you on about. Truth doesn't change depending on what we think truth is. We can arrive to false conclusions based on a lack of good evidence, it doesn't mean suddenly we're right. Fuckin dummo.
@Spazyfool
Race means to think in a certain way. E. Maurice might very well have Jewish heritage however the most Aryan thing he can do is to act, behave and think like an Aryan as well to voluntarily choose not to reproduce like Jesus as not to spread his Jewish blood.
@SomethingNew
Race means to think in a certain way
Nazis come out and bravely support trans-ethnics in new progressive statement!
@happy_sad
Truth can indeed be changed.
Back then, classical people didn't believe in God, then people believed in God, and now people don't believe in God anymore.
God popped out of existence, and now fades away along with his "truth".
Your search for an objective true is no different than the constant change of truth.
@w8t4u
This pact was formed to divide eastern Europe, so it's the poles have nothing to trust the germs for.
@Gigastrength
That's fucking retarded. I guess the whole universe didn't exist and we actually did live under a firmament until scientists miraculously changed the laws of physics, right? You're also completely uneducated on classical philosophy and God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover
What the fuck man. What the fuck.
@PackManBrainlure
so it's the poles and the brits who have nothing to trust the germs for.
@Evilember
If the universe is proven to be a virtual simulation tomorrow, then yes, everything we know as truth is fake.
And the unmoved mover is the concept of creation, not necessarily God.
@BlogWobbles
You are lambasting the brits for how dare they ally with the USSR, when Nazi Germany was doing the same shit.
@Soft_member
but they were still an autonomous country
Like North Korea is a "Democratic Republic"? Autonomous my ass. They tried working autonomously several times and, oddly enough, Red Army battalions or Moscow loyalists rolled up to put them down. Don't even mention Hungary or Czechoslovakia.
At that point they were liberating Poland from Germany
Liberated with Red Army collectivized "love"?
@SomethingNew
Race means to think in a certain way
No.
@Evilember
user, for your own good, stop wasting your time and sanity. You can't argue with a man who denies reason and truth.
@CouchChiller
If said truth is unknown and unproven, how do you acknowledge it?
You just say it exists out of the blue, without evidences?
@BinaryMan
Race is in the blood, not in the mind, but thanks for the link anyway.
@DeathDog
No, that wasn't the point you dumbass nigger. The point was British hypocrisy in saying they were going to war to defend Poland. Improve your reading comprehension.
@VisualMaster
Thanks, that's interesting. I think the authors perspective is completely wrong and fanciful if taken literally. It's the same kind of nonsense rhetoric that justifies multiculturalism.
@ZeroReborn
Yeah, I'm not denying Poland was a vassal of the USSR, but it's better than being lebensraum for a bunch of foreigners.
@happy_sad
In 1910, Posen was about 38.5% German (61.5% Polish),
Danzig, in 1929, 95% were German, and the rest were mainly Kashubians or Poles according to official census. But according to the population registers, the Poles were about 9.5% of the population.
TL;DR, yes it was majority Polish, however it does not justify the land being given to Poland, or the fact that a section of Germany was literally cut off from the rest of Germany.
@BunnyJinx
Third Reich disagrees. The link clearly states race means to be able to think in a certain way, you're welcome.
You conveniently forgot WW1. (and I'm not even a Hitler fanboy.)
https://mises.org/library/rethinking-churchill#part3
From the outset of hostilities, Churchill, as head of the Admiralty, was instrumental in establishing the hunger blockade of Germany. This was probably the most effective weapon employed on either side in the whole conflict. The only problem was that, according to everyone's interpretation of international law except Britain's, it was illegal. The blockade was not "close-in," but depended on scattering mines, and many of the goods deemed contraband — for instance, food for civilians — had never been so classified before.50 But, throughout his career, international law and the conventions by which men have tried to limit the horrors of war meant nothing to Churchill. As a German historian has dryly commented, Churchill was ready to break the rules whenever the very existence of his country was at stake, and "for him this was very often the case."51
The hunger blockade had certain rather unpleasant consequences. About 750,000 German civilians succumbed to hunger and diseases caused by malnutrition. The effect on those who survived was perhaps just as frightful in its own way. A historian of the blockade concluded: "the victimized youth [of World War I] were to become the most radical adherents of National Socialism."52 It was also complications arising from the British blockade that eventually provided the pretext for Wilson's decision to go to war in 1917.
AND he gave back a ton of prisoners of war to Stalin and they were all sent to the gulags.
Most shameful of all was the handing over of the Cossacks. They had never been Soviet citizens, since they had fought against the Red Army in the Civil War and then emigrated. Stalin, understandably, was particularly keen to get hold of them, and the British obliged. Solzhenitsyn wrote, of Winston Churchill:
"He turned over to the Soviet command the Cossack corps of 90,000 men. Along with them he also handed over many wagonloads of old people, women, and children…. This great hero, monuments to whom will in time cover all England, ordered that they, too, be surrendered to their deaths."147
@Stupidasole
It's the same kind of nonsense rhetoric that justifies multiculturalism.
Provide examples. The author speaks of unity, not division which multiculturalists do.
@Fried_Sushi
Yeah, there is honestly a lot of criticism to be made of Churchill's character and actions. I got off track from my main point by namedropping him. Thanks for the link.
"M-Muh 6,000,000 Germans! Churchill was such a meanie wah waah"
"Hitler dindu nuffin, he was a good boy!"
"Allies should pay reparations because of all the mean things they did when Germany dindu nuffin"
Get a fucking grip
@Stupidasole
Yeah, I'm not denying Poland was a vassal of the USSR, but it's better than being lebensraum for a bunch of foreigners.
Eh, I don't really think there's enough evidence as to what German plans for Poland post-war were. While I'd like to believe it was merely to resettle Germans and Poles along newly negotiated borders to get rid of ethnic tensions, I can't really state that for certain. On the other hand, however, I can't really state for sure that Poland would have been Lebensraum for the Germans post-war. Russia? Maybe. I'm not so sure about Poland.
@Nojokur
yes it was majority Polish, however it does not justify the land being given to Poland, or the fact that a section of Germany was literally cut off from the rest of Germany.
How does that not justify it?
@Spazyfool
So? They can be wrong and, in this case, are. Race isn't in the mind. That would imply a bunch of retarded things. At best other races can LARP, which I'm fine with, but they won't suddenly become European.
@Booteefool
"Unity" is exactly what the multiculturalists preach, and it's just as much of a lie, no matter how much you dress it in the guise of nationalism.
@takes2long
It absolutely is. Are you going to tell me "Africans" aren't a race next?
I also believed the mainstream narrative that Neville Chamberlain was a fool and a coward, but you see, the truth is right there in plain sight. Chamberlain wanted peace through strenght, Churchill wanted war ASAP.
@Soft_member
(1)
literally people discussion how the war went and the history behind it
somehow make this shitpost
doesn't even sage
Idiot.
@SomethingNew
how does that not justify it
Because it was Germany's land to begin with. The Treaty of Versailles was a very unjust treaty.
@Poker_Star
Because it was Germany's land to begin with. The Treaty of Versailles was a very unjust treaty.
It was won through war, which is how I imagine (since I'm not educated on this part of history) the Germans won those territories which would have previously belonged to states like the Polish Commonwealth.
@Poker_Star
Because it was Germany's land to begin with
By what virtue was it "their land"? By the same logic most of Germany should have been under Polish control because it had been Polish land before Prussia stole it through successive partitions.
The Treaty of Versailles was a very unjust treaty.
And the partitions of Poland-Lithuania were also very unjust.
The land belongs to whoever populates it, otherwise you'll be saying that Alsace-Lorrain should be France since it was French territory before the Franco-Prussian war.
@Inmate
You seem to have the Jewish conception of race, Shemites, Hamites and Japheth. If you ever looked at Africa you'll find distinction between west and east.
European absolutely isn't a race as physical distinction of race is seen by skull shape.
I would be fine with the germans if they stop basing their nationalism on hating americans, poles, brits and ruskies.
Even the japs are friends to american and ruskies now, so why can't you?
@SniperWish
Skeletal shape isn't the definitive proof of race, otherwise you'll be saying that midgets are a totally different race. Race is genetic and biological, and I feel perfectly comfortable in talking about a "European race."
@Burnblaze
Can't argue with that logic I suppose. But, why the land cut off that neighboured Posen/Danzig?
@eGremlin
Neither is skin color. In most European languages race and breed are the same term as if you would refer to a dog or another animal. Skeletal shape is not definitive but partly proof of race. For when you breed dogs to create a new breed, what is taken into account is both the physical and mental traits of the said dogs if the aim is to create a strong and noble dog.
@eGremlin
midgets are literally fucking mutants.
Never consider mutants to be an example of the norm, ever.
Hermaphrodites are not an example of sexes not being binary either, they are just anomalies.
@BinaryMan
But, why the land cut off that neighboured Posen/Danzig?
That is a problem. Fundamentally I believe it could have been solved by a joint action program of resettlement by the Polish and German governments, getting rid of the "fuzziness" and intermingling around the border and also allowing Germany land access to Danzig. This would have solved most problems, I believe. The one hiccup I can foresee is Polish sea-access. I don't know how much of a stumbling block that would have been though.
If Hitler kept up the deal of allowing Poland access to Danzig as a port city that probably would have helped matters.
@Raving_Cute
Agreed, but this only reaffirms my point that race is a physical, biological construct, not one based on mentality or life-philosophy.
@GoogleCat
They did though, polish forces were given shelter by the Allies.
@Harmless_Venom
Hermaphrodites are not an example of sexes not being binary either, they are just anomalies.
It was a poor example based on what I could think of off the top of my head. It was merely to illustrate that race isn't based (entirely) on skeletal shape and there is much room for variation.
@haveahappyday
They did though
No, they didn't.
polish forces were given shelter by the Allies.
So? That doesn't mean that it was their motive for entering the war. But I wouldn't expect a subhuman retard like you to understand inference.
@MPmaster
"The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France"
Hitler disagrees. Biology and mentality/philosophy goes hand in hand in forms of biological traits. You are spouting contradictions.
Butthurt SS on suicide watch
Hitlers grandmother was a poor maid
She moved back home from her masters house when she got pregnant with hitler's father
She had the baby illegitimately, raised him as a pure bastard
The master who knocked up Nana Hitler: The Austrian Baron de Rothschild
Mfw Hitler was just one more Rothschild agent
@Evilember
"The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France"
dumb
@Evilember
Hitler's not the definitive authority on everything. Besides which, even what you stated doesn't contradict me. Mentality and philosophy go hand in hand with biological traits because they arise from biological traits. This is perfectly self-evident.
You seem to think the reverse: that mentality or philosophy held by people can give rise to them changing biological traits, which is ridiculous and impossible. No matter how much a Turk LARPs as a German, he will not become German. No matter how much an African (for example Thomas Sowell) LARPs as a European, he won't become a European.
Also, fuck Islam. I just wanted to state that separately. I'd take a Frog over a Muslim any day.
@Evilember
Reminder that racial science and genetics were in very early stages in the 1930s. They didn't even know about DNA. Nazis would have kept up with advances in biological sciences and not held to outdated theories.
@ZeroReborn
That's race. You can disagree with the largest studies back in its time done within a country that freed itself from Jewish controlled media, academia, government, economy all you want. It makes no sense for an Aryan supremacist to directly attack his fellow Aryan neighbouring nations.
@Fuzzy_Logic
People can certainly go against their biology it if they will it so just like decades long meat eaters turned into decades long vegans, that is what makes actual humans distinct from animals - and biology is changed through newer generations.
I'd take a high quality person over you any day.
@Inmate
They didn't even know about DNA.
They certainly did, simply used different terms.
The German invasion was Sep 1939, but it's important to understand that many of the outrages had preceded the German invasion. This was proved by the amount of decomposition of the bodies.
Umm… Did you guys even read the link? That line is 5 sentances down.
I'm a pretty quick reader, and it took me a couple of minutes to finish that intro page… Are you saying that all three of you read, AND comprehended this in the 15 seconds it took you all to immediately respond? Seems to me like that was simply damage control. I think I'm going to get a copy of "Volk und Reich Verlag Berlin, 2nd. revised ed., 1940, 311 pp.", and I advise all polacks do the same.
@PackManBrainlure
Civic "nationalist" detected. You know multiracialism is a terrible idea that doesn't work and has no benefit, right?
But go keep on pretending that the Nazis were all about letting people with the "Aryan mindset" into Germany.
People can certainly go against their biology it if they will it so just like decades long meat eaters turned into decades long vegans, that is what makes actual humans distinct from animals - and biology is changed through newer generations.
Sure buddy. Give me an example of a population switching races. I'll wait.
@PackManBrainlure
They certainly did
No, they didn't. And they would have updated their theories with newer evidence.
@iluvmen
schlomo go away
@eGremlin
otherwise you'll be saying that midgets are a totally different race.
midgets are a result of genetic defect, just like albinism…
Of course the measures and shapes of skull and other bones matter. This is a result of genetics also.
@Raving_Cute
Native americans probably mixed with biological Europeans that lived there before Iberians had arrived.
@TurtleCat
Again, my point wasn't that skeletal structure doesn't matter, it's that skeletal structure isn't the defining characteristic of race.
Reminder that modern judaism is talmudism.
Talmudism is never okay. Even if they hate others within the talmudist sect, they still follow the talmud and as such are to be hated.
People of jewish lineage who repent of the talmudic past and become Christians are of course acceptable. All must be saved; but know that they who still refer to themselves as 'jews' and accept that title are talmudists, and as such not to be trusted.
@StrangeWizard
People of jewish lineage who repent of the talmudic past and become Christians are of course acceptable
Not surprising that the catholic church was taken over by kikes and is now the biggest anti-white organization on earth. You guys are naive as hell.
@BinaryMan
Civic "nationalist" detected. You know multiracialism is a terrible idea that doesn't work and has no benefit, right?
I'm witnessing that already, you don't need to tell me. Also refer from calling yourself nationalistic.
But go keep on pretending that the Nazis were all about letting people with the "Aryan mindset" into Germany.
There wouldn't be a strong reaction to immigration if that was really the case.
Also you seem to be missing the point that Nazis were effectively Aryanizing Germany.
Sure buddy. Give me an example of a population switching races. I'll wait.
Open a history book.
@FastChef
it's that skeletal structure isn't the defining characteristic of race.
So what is the defining characeristics of human races? Can you really pick a characteristic and say it defines race? You have to gather all biological features you can find, and skeletal shape is an important one to define race.
@askme
I'm witnessing that already, you don't need to tell me
So why do you cling to a useless definition of race based on mindset when "ideology" already fits such a purpose? The only conceivable thing you wish to do by abolishing the normal and rational understanding of races is to say "We should totally let Abdul and Tyrone into the country; they share our worldview!"
There wouldn't be a strong reaction to immigration if that was really the case.
What point are you even trying to make? The Nazis made a Germany for Germans. Not "people who think like Germans." Germans. Period. About the closest they ever got to what you're talking about is foreign battalions.
Also you seem to be missing the point that Nazis were effectively Aryanizing Germany
I'll take this to mean that they were instilling good values into Germans, but what does that have to do with anything?
Open a history book.
Way to dodge the question. Give an example. Even just one. A single example of a population of one race, through sheer mental devotion over many generations to a different worldview, becoming another race.
Pro-tip: you can't. It has literally never happened. Ever.
@Methnerd
So what is the defining characeristics of human races? Can you really pick a characteristic and say it defines race? You have to gather all biological features you can find, and skeletal shape is an important one to define race.
I never denied that. My point is that skeletal features no more define races on their own irrespective of other features than wheel types define the vehicle they're attached to. Races are defined by collections of features as a whole. That's all I'm saying.
@AwesomeTucker
What point are you even trying to make? The Nazis made a Germany for Germans. Not "people who think like Germans." Germans. Period. About the closest they ever got to what you're talking about is foreign battalions.
There were afro-germans even in Germany, and some of them got drafted into the Wehrmatch.
This is not to mention the slavs and the jews that also serve in Hitler's army.
Nazi Germany was diverse.
@AwesomeTucker
Even just one. A single example of a population of one race, through sheer mental devotion over many generations to a different worldview, becoming another race.
The frank?
They are germanic, but now they are celtic-germanic.
@VisualMaster
…I didn't post any links.
But I did read through, and saw some interesting shit. And I quote…
"Sections VI and VII are 100 pages of forensic documentation – captioned photos, autopsy reports with photos, crime scene photos and articles in local newspapers begging for information on missing family members."
"The German invasion was Sep 1939, but it's important to understand that many of the outrages had preceded the German invasion. This was proved by the amount of decomposition of the bodies."
…literally nothing happened
literally forensic analysis happened.
Ftfy
I was going to sit back and watch what evidence was posted from both sides of this argument, but you spurred me to look into it myself.
Apparently this is a documented event, with books written on it… So yeah, looks like the Germans were 100% justified to me. But that's just like, my opinion, man.
http://www.amazon.com/Dokumente-Polnischer-Grausamkeiten-Verbrechen-Deutschen/dp/3887411781>>4902433
@ZeroReborn
Fixed link, mea culpa.
http://www.amazon.com/Dokumente-Polnischer-Grausamkeiten-Verbrechen-Deutschen/dp/3887411781
@ZeroReborn
"Sections VI and VII are 100 pages of forensic documentation – captioned photos, autopsy reports with photos, crime scene photos and articles in local newspapers begging for information on missing family members."
Local newspapers don't serve as fucking evidences, especially when these newspapers surface AFTER the invasion.
And to be frank, I haven't read that book. Please do the research for me.
@Illusionz
You're misreading the "and". The crimscene investigations are seperate from the newspaper articles looking for missing people. You're conflating the two as one in the same.
Do the research for me
No offense, but how can you expect anyone to take you, or your point of view seriously with that kind of attitude. No, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. It's no one's responsibility to know what you're talking about but your own, don't act like a crybaby when people blow you out in debates you didn't properly prepare for.
If you feel so strongly about " truth", set aside time later today to read for yourself, then come back with a well thought out response.
Unless however you don't care about truth, and you're just trying to sew disinfo…
@Dreamworx
It's your responsibility to prove shit to me actually.
Not spoonfeeding is okay, but providing a book in German (a language I can't even read) does nothing. Give me the quotes, give me the photos, give me the dates.
And nah, I don't give a crap about your nazi truth.
@askme
"I dont give a crap about nazi truth"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Wtf is "nazi truth", shlomo? Does that mean you believe in "jewish truth"!? Hahahaha, ohmyfuck!
Well, good thing that many people did care about truth! Even if it's… Nazi Truth!!! Dun dun duuun!!
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Polish_Atrocities_intro.htm
Even in the spring of 1939 it became quite clear that the change in Poland's foreign policy was being definitely advanced and guided by two forces. Polish public opinion, influenced by the Government's toleration of anti-German propaganda, was imbued with an unparalleled feeling of hatred against everything German. Any statement or expression pertaining to the daily life of the German minority was considered as anhostile act against the Polish State and in consequence the extermination of everything of German origin was put forward as a national duty. It was evident that the restraint of the German Government towards this degeneration of hatred towards minority Germans was regarded by the Polish authorities as an expression of weakness. This fateful error was the underlying motive for the vehement attacks on Germany which expressed themselves in impassioned demands for the annexation of German territory, and reached their climax in the ridiculous display of megalomania, as displayed in a demand for the River Elbe as a boundary necessary toPolish national requirements. The Polish Government gave a free hand to the perpetrators of such bellicose demonstration of annexation, as well as to the miscreants of acts of violence against the German minority in the Western provinces, who were in their turn aided and abetted by the provincial authorities. The responsibility for this feverish atmosphere was hereby placed on the shoulders of the Polish Government. This finally resulted in moral chaos in towns and in the country, accompanied by indiscriminate murders of thousands of defenceless and innocent minority Germans by Polish soldiers and armed civilians.
"You need to prove it to me!"
It just got fucking proved to you. Game, set, match.
Since you don't care about the truth, any and all counterargument from you is now invalid.
You've just lost, the goyim now know, time to slide it. Oy vey.
Jews
honorary Aryans
Who let you out of the oven, Cohen?
emil truly was an honoraryan, even a personal bodyguard of hitler san
@TalkBomber
lowering his prices because they couldn't afford to pay him much and sometimes even helping them for free.
He must have been the other changeling.
@Spazyfool
Nobody says all Jews are bad. We are saying the race of Jews are bad and they should be exterminated because they're a threat to any country.
Its simple though, if they become eunuchs or similar then they can still live. As long as they can't breed, own land or hold positions with power.
@Spazyfool
half or quarters jews can be fine. The only real question is do they consider themselves Jews or Germans first. I think Emil Maurice would have told you he considers himself a German.
@Spamalot
now your being a fag. The first world war was everyone fault or no ones. Regardless of what Germans did in the second the Soviets would have still invaded Europe. Without the Nazis you would be speaking Russian Britcuck.
@haveahappyday
Is that why you came to the poles help after the Russian invaded. HURR DURR WE DA GOOD GUYS.
@Spazyfool
I've read Bryn Mark Rigg's books about Jews who fought along side with the National Socialists. Rigg slanted and poisons the flavor to a taste I don't like to acquire.
With that said, many were spies, many were loyal nationalists, some atheists, some god believers, some even chosenites no matter the side they chose etc. I would say next time, don't do it Hitler V. 2.0 No don't.
Has anyone here ever read this?
Leeky Forums says jews are bad, Leeky Forums doesn't say ALL jews are bad.
Obviously there are exceptions to any statement about a group of people. We don't need to include a fucking disclaimer for that; any sane person can understand it.
@Fuzzy_Logic
I'm not seeing any facts put down, no number, no names, not even dates.
Just accusations.
@Harmless_Venom
Just like how Soviet invaded Europe back in the Cold War?
I'm in the thought of the slavaboos, there's no economic incentive of the Soviet invading western Europe.
@Evil_kitten
I don't care about the truth!
I-I'm not s-seeing f-f-facts g-goy!
The asshurt is palpable. You can just leave now.
@BlogWobbles
I really don't though.
It's saying durr da polish government were killing da german victims, muh german holocoax.
How many, examples, date of the killing?
Just back yourself with factual evidence else you end up with another holohoax.
@BlogWobbles
Yeah, he wants evidence before he accepts something as true? Fuck that guy.
@Lunatick
reminder NEETzoism is essentially a political ideology formed on a unified conspiracy theory
@SniperWish
I've realized a lot of the Nazi mysticism and weird Aryan history theories is basically WE WUZ KINGZ N SHIT. You'd think that a people with more, uh, observable accomplishments wouldn't resort to that though, but I guess collective self-worth was in really poor shape in the Weimar.
@viagrandad
Aryan mysticism is a lot of bullshit that pretends Indian are white.
It's as dumb as the whole true jews are europeans, modern jews are khazar bullshit.
It's about replacing identity and changing your history to fit your perspective.
@Burnblaze
@Lunatick
@SniperWish
Reminder that evidence was given. When confronted, the shill claimed "I don't care about the truth". KIKES ARE IN FULL DAMAGE CONTROL.
Evidence
@SniperWish
(myself)
@ZeroReborn
@Fuzzy_Logic
"I dont care about the truth"
@askme
So when sources are given and links to an assembled collection of forensic reports and autopsies, they suddenly "don't care about the truth", yet when people call them on the bullshit, suddenly they want the proof they refused. Riiiiiiiiiiight.
Pic very related, written over 80 years ago and still 100% accurate. I gradually came to hate them.
Oh, have some more evidence.
https://archive.org/details/HitlersWar-WhatTheHistoriansNeglectToMentiontestVersion
In July and August of 1939, facing increasingly violent attacks, a wave of ethnic German refugees is forming, and increasing in size, with each passing day. Finally, the minority Germans begin trying to make their way to the free state of Danzig, and to Germany proper, but those who to try to escape, also put their lives at risk. Night after night, Polish border officials shot at the fleeing Germans. Nonetheless, many would try to make their way to safety, and freedom.
Shortly before the official outbreak of war, there were already 80,000 ethnic Germans in refugee camps in both Danzig and the German Reich.
@Evilember
Shortly before the official outbreak of war, there were already 80,000 ethnic Germans in refugee camps in both Danzig and the German Reich.
That's a lie though.
In fact, prove it.
@Evilember
So when sources are given and links to an assembled collection of forensic reports and autopsies
Your source says there are this collection.
But where is it?
@TechHater
https://archive.org/details/HitlersWar-WhatTheHistoriansNeglectToMentiontestVersion
Proved.
@TechHater
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
Proved
For someone that claims they ADAMANTLY don't care about the truth, you sure do seem desperate when shouting for proof. It's almost as though you're getting paid to consensus crack.
NOT. ON. MY. WATCH.
@w8t4u
After the primaries I'm watching that documentary and reading those books. Thank you based user.
@w8t4u
Even your second source uses Bloody Sunday as the massacre.
Except Bloody Sunday happened after the invasion.
Your 80000 ethnic germans claim has no source.
@Illusionz
That's some good, logical shit you posted there. Of course, there are a lot of kikes larping as extreme right wingers to make everyone else on h8chan look bad, so great posts like yours get buried among all the D&C shit.
@Lunatick
I've always thought that the Nazis only hated the zionist globalist elites, in other words the true masterminds who still play by our strings to this day. But yeah, that was a different era, they hardly have efficient methods to filter the average working Jew from the Maximum Kike, but even then they weren't that harsh.
@PurpleCharger
And about the concentration camp.
R e matter: Towards 6 p. m. on Sept. 1, 1939
Apparently, the nazis know the future, and somehow invade in the same day the poles decide to genocide muh ethnic german.
@PurpleCharger
Y-y-your s-second s-s-s-s-source u–
"The German invasion was Sep 1939, but it's important to understand that many of the outrages had preceded the German invasion. This was proved by the amount of decomposition of the bodies."
"Sections VI and VII are 100 pages of forensic documentation – captioned photos, autopsy reports with photos, crime scene photos"
R.I.P. jidf paycheck. How are you going to get that 10¢ per post, when you have to have a supervisor review them? They're going to see that you completely lost control of the consensus crack and made no progress shifting the narrative. You just wasted a while day, nigga.
It feels amazing knowing I literally took bread off of a jidf employee's dinner table for a night.
@Fried_Sushi
I'm not seeing any evidences, m8.
Even the pictures of these "crime scene photos" have no date to them.
@iluvmen
You know it's sort of funny, but if Hitler and the Zionists continued to work together, and there was no war,
Germany may have been the ones to create the Zionist state of Israel instead of the USA, making the Muslims angry at Germany instead of us (nowadays).
So Germany would be facing the brunt of Islamic hatred instead of us.
In other words, Islam was going to be a problem for the West either way it turned out.
@RavySnake
I had to act, I'm sick of seeing blatant outsiders act like they're one of us while trying to subvert who we are. People who try to silence the truth aren't even people, they're cockroaches. I'm never going to sit in silence again. The time for lurking is over. Trump is winning NH as we speak. Trump is winning America as we speak. The cockroaches are trembling right now, they know by this time in two years they'll be in striped pajamas behind chainlink fences.
And the funniest part? I'm not even a natsoc. I disagree with many parts of it. But cockroaches like @Illusionz
push me further and further towards Third Position every fucking day.
@TurtleCat
This "cockroach" also supports Trump.
He just doesn't support nazi lies. For someone who push truth in all things, you sure have a soft spot for the side who lacks evidences.
@Bidwell
I'm sorry cockroach, can you PROVE that I haven't provided proof?
Afterall, like you said, the person making the claim needs to provide proof, and you are claiming that despite being able to mousewheel up, I haven't provided proof.
This "/pol/lack" also supports Trump
He just doesn't support jidf lies. For someone who sperged out and threw a tantrum, where you shouted "I don't care about the truth"; you sure have a soft spot for consensus cracking.
@Fried_Sushi
I can prove it because you haven't provided any evidences, just accusations.
And as said, I don't really care about nazi truth, until they become truth, they are just lies.
There are absolutely Jews who are not the evil blood sucking parasites we know most to be and they should be treated with the utmost respect. No different than you would treat your own.
@Fuzzy_Logic
Well gee, the burden of proof is on you to post, you said it yourself, so… If you have this proof, post it. You have yet to show evidence backing any claim you made.
Until you post it, I can only asume that you're lying, bro-tato chip.
think about it
it wasn't jews
it was liberals
The thing with dealing with race is that the larger the population you're dealing with the more accurate predictions based on their race will be true. Basically it all comes down to the law of averages.
Kikes
"Honorary Aryans"
@TurtleCat
@Fried_Sushi
@iluvmen
@Emberfire
I dub thee, "The Crusher of Keisters!"
ALL HAIL HIM WHO BLASTS HEBREW BUTTS!!
@Firespawn
To be fair, it wasn't the usual miracle of healing the sick or something. A whole city saw the Virgin Mary. Whether you believe it was actual divine intervention or a mere group hallucination, it'd be ridiculous not to report on thousands of people seeing the mother of Jesus Christ.
To this day Fátima is considered the second (or third?) holiest city in the christian world.
@BlogWobbles
Oh yeah, I'm not denying that user. However, the reporting in the newspapers is tenuous and if there were no other evidence we'd be very lost.
@Emberfire
You have a burden of proof to show this germanic holocaust to even happen though.
My proof is the lack of evidences.
Haha, look at this site I found ripping Leeky Forums comments to post fake comments for spam http://leekyforums.com/thread/4900246/politics/jewish-honorary-aryans.html
@Illusionz
I suppose, but you can't discount a newspaper just because there is no other evidence. On the contrary. If there was proof against the massacre of germans, that'd be one thing, but even if it is the only source in existence, one should be able to trust the reporters of the time did their best to present the information they knew. Even if its publication was late.
@JunkTop
You say you have this proof… yet you have yet to post any user.
I think It's time for you to pack it up.