So like rule34 of children from cartoons is illegal right?
I mean you hear cases where someone gets vanned for having lisa simpsons rule34 and stuff.
It's basically treated as CP by the authorities.
How can that stay up on this board and by extension this site?
I would like the source of these people getting in trouble over Simpsons rule 34.
It isn't. Go be an idiot elsewhere.
@PackManBrainlure
The simpsons thing happened in Britain, and in Britain everything is fucked. Go eat a dick somewhere else.
It's only in a few states and in canada.
They're not CP charges, they're charges of indecency based on old laws where you couldn't send porn through the mail service. This extended to mean "the internet" in some cases.
@TurtleCat
https://reason.com/blog/2011/01/20/the-simpsons-skins-and-child-p
The evidence shows that, besides the obscene material that he pled guilty to possessing, Kutzner had been downloading, receiving and viewing sexually explicit images of actual children for eight years. He avoided being charged with a child pornography offense because he used wiping programs to delete the images from his computer. So, while Kutzner pled guilty to possessing obscene fictional representations of the sexual abuse of children, he also has a long history of viewing sexually explicit images of real children.
To be fair, he actually did have CP on his PC. But somehow avoided charges because he wiped it? I don't get it.
@RumChicken
@TechHater
So you can have CP in Canada but you can't send in anywhere online
@ZeroReborn
He was actually viewing sexually explicit images of real children!
Is there proof?
Well… no, he wiped it off his computer… but he definitely has a history of doing viewing it!
So every justice system is retarded, good to know.
@TechHater
In canada you can be charged of possession of CP and production of it, based on a case where a father was arrested for having a bath photo of his child in his wallet when he tried crossing the border back into canada.
If I remember correctly, that incident with the simpson porn was in australia, where their laws are becoming progressively more retarded. A man was also arrested for abusing a minor, because he had imported a life-sized silicone child doll from asia.
Laws are not established with common sense, logic, or reasoning. Laws are established with political agendas, community outrage, moral panic, and corporate lobbying.
@PackManBrainlure
yes and no
Here are some wiki quotes.
In the United States, pornography is considered a form of personal expression, and thus governed by the First Amendment to the Constitution
Pornography is generally protected speech, unless it is obscene, as the Supreme Court of the United States held in 1973 in Miller v. California.
This leads to the PROTECT Act of 2003.
drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene, OR are engaged in sex acts that are deemed to meet the same obscene condition.
It goes on to say
The law does not explicitly state that images of fictional beings who appear to be under 18 engaged in sexual acts that are not deemed to be obscene are rendered illegal in and of their own condition (illustration of sex of fictional minors).
tl;dr
Currently, such depictions are in a legal grey area due to parts of the PROTECT Act being ruled unconstitutional on a federal level; however, laws regulating lolicon and shotacon differs between states; several states have laws that explicitly prohibit cartoon pornography and similar depictions (such as video games in the state of New Jersey), while others usually have only vague laws on such content; in some states, such as California, such depictions specifically do not fall under state child pornography laws, while the state of Utah explicitly bans it.
I just like to imagine it isn't reasonable to waste time taking people like Shadman to court.
Last november there were dozens of sites that had loli that were taken down or forced to remove their loli.
I believe a few days back people realized that Paheal was being cleaned up.
I think the only real thing to watch out for is SFM loli.
It really seems to piss off most general internet mods and the internet police because of how real it might look if you see it in a thumbnail.
@Stark_Naked
I just like to imagine it isn't reasonable to waste time taking people like Shadman to court.
I'd like to see Shadman in jail so I won't ever have to see someone post more of his shit art
It's such a hilariously grey area that you can never know for sure.
Probably safe to just avoid it altogether if you live in burgerland, just in case.
How the fuck would they know that if he wiped the evidence? If they could confirm he had CP than he would have been charged with it. I call bullshit.
In the US no. The supreme court ruled that it was legal in like '04 I believe.
It is however illegal in Canada and I believe the UK and straya but A cup breasts are considered cp in straya and bongistan bans fucking everything
Only in Canada and Australia
@TurtleCat
http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/former-middle-school-teacher-pleads-guilty-possession-obscene-image
This rustles my jimmies to no end. What a waste of money and resources
Why is it always Simpsons porn
@Garbage Can Lid
Because it's a famous and long-running show, so naturally porn of it is bound to be plentiful.
@Garbage Can Lid
Probably because the characters ages are well known, versus say…Disgaea where the closes thing to a loli is a flat chested petite demon so i guess these kind of characters fall in that grey area so if i bite the bullet i hope its my 1000 year old loli vampires what they find
@Crazy_Nice
Thing is, it's all shit
All of it
The art style does not lend itself to anything remotely fappable
@Harmless_Venom
I doubt they really give a shit in those cases. Actually probably just because THe Simpsons is easily recognisable among a stash of other cartoon characters the cops don't recognise and don't bother looking up
@idontknow
Still that case reads as both vague and putting it as badly as possible "depictions of child abuse" this creates and image to many of kids getting beaten and raped even if its just cartoons. Which it is JUST CARTOONS and they kept emphasis on him being a teacher to keep implying he'd hurt a kid. Im not a fan of /hebe/ but i get where they come from in the sense of admiring from a far
@PackManBrainlure
0/10 shittiest bait.
Child pornography is illegal because in the making of it non consenting minors are forced to have sexual intercourse and probably harmed in the process if not phisically then mentally.
Who do you harm by jacking off a drawing?
@TreeEater
Its not bait. Some fag in the UK really did get arrested for Lisa Simpson shit.
The laws and/or their interpretation are incredibly fickle, they change from country to country and state to state. But to be on the safe side, don't flaunt that shit.
r34
illegal
That's fucking retarded. Drawings are not real people.
Depends on the country, in mine every depiction of child nudity is treated as CP, drawings get into a grey area that is not illegal but it leaves a mark.
8ch servers are in Thailand or someplace like that, so its outside Us jurisdiction.
ITT: Everyone repeating the same thing over and over again.
if a country is allowed to prohibit pictures and videos of one topic, what stops them from prohibiting pictures and videos of any topic? really, whats the limit? all you gotta do is say the thing you framed/recorded "didnt consent" and thats it, you made it illegal.
its high time we separate rape from prepubescent sexual intercourse. Hell, the "line" between rape and ADULT sexual intercourse is so thin you don't even notice its there, bitch can say HE RAPED ME the day after and you're fucked.
and jailing people for 0s and 1s? thats fucking retarded, no matter what the 0s and 1s look like on a screen, they're still just that, electric patterns, however, they might point in the direction of a crime, but then, that crime should be investigated, not just "throw them in the cube because they happened to possess a piece of evidence", CP is downloaded from the deepweb entirely anonymously, and can be easily planted in the computer of "the opposition".
sage because this isn't Leeky Forums, OP is a cuck, cartoons =/= reality and theres nothing wrong with consensual pedophilia.
ITT
@whereismyname
Does this count as CP since it's on a person and it's a depiction of a child?
@FastChef
Google his name you lazy faggot. Its right here in the fucking thread and is mentioned several times.
@Supergrass
I'm not. I just didn't have an appropriate explosion reaction image.
@FastChef
Jesus fucking Christ, read the god damn thread the name is right there, just google that shit.
in the next five years loli will be illegal
@Stark_Naked
Last november there were dozens of sites that had loli that were taken down or forced to remove their loli.
I believe a few days back people realized that Paheal was being cleaned up.
Source?
I'll risk it, Gwen Tennyson is just too damn hot.
Somewhat relevant to this thread, anyone familiar with the artist Natis_01, it turns out that he is actually going to face jail time.
41 months to be exact, after some years of alcoholism brought on by his manipulative bitch who convinced him he crossed the line by him drawing his art, Natis cracked and downloaded a torrent of nudism material and she reported him to the feds instead of state police.
(Or something along those lines)
His punishment is to serve 41 months jailtime, for the crime of viewing said content, but had he looked up his local laws he would have found that his art is perfectly legal, and the court ruled that he may continue to draw adult works to support himself.
His family is actually supportive of him, all things considered, and his ex-bitch has been diagnosed with cancer, so all things are going better than expected for him.
You can find more info over at /loli/index.html and even help support his "going to prison pizza party".
@hairygrape
Natis cracked and downloaded a torrent of nudism material and she reported him to the feds instead of state police.
It's kind of hard to be sympathetic when he downloaded CP.
even help support his "going to prison pizza party"
oh u
@Techpill
Except it wasn't porn, it was nude models, which is comparable to touring a nudist colony.
His ex-bitch convinced him he already crossed the fine line between fantasy/reality with the content he draws, so he figured if he's already to be condemned he may as well burn the bridge he stands on.
@AwesomeTucker
convinced him he already crossed the fine line between fantasy/reality with the content he draws
That doesn't mean he should have downloaded nude kiddie models.
It's his own fault if he couldn't see the difference between 2D and 3DPD
not here in ireland because our police force is retarded and confirmed corrupt, and probably doesnt even know what it is
@PackManBrainlure
Good. Pedo shit deserves to be banned and illegal.
and I have absolutely no love and tolerance for borderline pedophiles.
@Stark_Naked
Currently, such depictions are in a legal grey area due to parts of the PROTECT Act being ruled unconstitutional on a federal level; however, laws regulating lolicon and shotacon differs between states
Basically the whole problem stems from the free speech protection enshrined in the first amendment clashing with a very vague definition of what counts as obscene. I'm sure to some rightwing religious nutcases, violent video games are obscene, just as sexy women are obscene to radical feminists.
Nobody wants to be that lawyer who asks the supreme court to rule that drawn CP is protected speech, and most people don't want to risk getting taken to court over it—even if every time simulated porn has been taken to court in the US in the past 30 years it's come out on top, nobody wants to be dragged through the legal hell that it would be.
you know what many sites like HF and recently Paheal had to remove the loli stuff, one word
SJWs
@PackManBrainlure
Only if youre a eurofag and the cartoon in question is well known.
